"I don't agree with Barb that love is god's invention. In fact any god that wants to 'fix' or as the holy book of fairy tales actually prescribes KILL people that I love because they happen to be homosexual, well that god is the antithesis of love to me."
No one "happens to be" homosexual. And God doesn't prescribe killing them any more than the rest of us who are mortal. We all die and are under a death sentence for original sin. "The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." When Paul says homosexuals deserve death, he doesn't say there should be a death penalty other than the one that already exists for all of us. He's saying homosexuality is sin.
What we have from the God of Love is a 2nd chance to get it right and be sorry for our sins and start a new life in fellowship with Christ through the Holy Spirit of God. What we have is a chance at immortality because Christ gave His life for our salvation.
What's the alternative? the world as it is -- with all its people-imposed miseries-- and eternal non-existance at the end of life's road.
I'm taking what God has to offer! a relationship with Him. Eternal joy in His presence in Eternity. The place that Christ said He was going to prepare for those who follow Him. God's way protects people and their families from the wages of their own sinful choices in the here and now --and restores paradise in Eternity--so we need not fear death.
God's love is the best offer we'll ever get. And yes, he loves homosexuals as persons, but not what they do. I don't see how homosexuality differs from adultery or pedophilia --in being avoidable at the first thought --before action takes place and becomes addiction. But to avoid the first thoughts of sin, we must be TAUGHT what is right and what is wrong.
God gives us male or female bodies for his purposes --and for our good --and the perpetuation of life. There is no evidence to date that gender confusion starts in the womb --except for those with the extra x chromosome, hermaphadites, Klinefelter's Syndrome. And these do not typically manifest as homosexuals. They do typically identify as males and may be unaware of their abnormality.
"God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance and have eternal life."--the Bible
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"A very depressed agnostic or atheist wrote this about me at another blog"
Naturally, as a very depressed fundamentalist, you'd know about this mental illness.
The writer described himself as "very depressed" and unemployed in Michigan. I've had clinical depression once and to a milder degree a 2nd time. Both were related to physical conditions.
The act of homosexuality is the sin.
For those who believe people are born that way or those who believe it's a choice, the answer is the same.
Do not engage in the act and you will not have sinned.
It's a burden to carry for sure.
Unmarried heterosexuals are supposed to abstain from sex also. It's the same thing. If a homosexual person gets married to a person of the opposite sex and is faithful to the marriage vows, despite the desire to have sex with someone of the same sex he or she has not sinned.
I don't know which turns my stomach the most: knowing what male homosexuals do or knowing what lesbians do.
I am not unusual in that regard. Does it turn you on, Denis? Or does it put you off when you really think about the act?
We can all talk a big talk but can we all walk the big walk?
Think of the act and tell me if your stomach churns or not.
Jeanette, our pastor preached the first sermon I've heard from him on this volatile topic today--relating it to Thanksgiving --that if we do not thank the Creator for all that is made, and recognize Him as the creator of nature and the universe, we get into idolatry, worshipping created things over Creator, exchanging truth about God for a lie, and then He gives us up to our resulting unnatural lusts.
The pastor said what you said about the desires/attraction not being the sin unless acted upon--as you said if a person with attraction nevertheless does the Biblical thing, either remaining celibate or marrying and parenting with the opposite sex, and remaining faithful --fleeing temptation in mind and deed --he is blameless even if he still feels some temptation toward the same sex.
I think the problem in some homosexual situations has MORE to do with indulging opportunity to have sexual experience with someone of the same sex --and thereafter having a preferential addiction for the activities. That the problem is not as much basic "romantic" attraction as a desire for certain activities. But that depends on the degree of gender identity disorder. Some really do identify with the opposite sex, act effeminently (or masculine in the case of lesbians) and think AS the opposite sex toward their same sex.
I think most of us understand what is attractive about both sexes --and desire friendship with attractive people of both sexes when we are young, especially. But it takes real mental flight, wrongful thinking, to cross those moral barriers that keep us from adultery, pedophilia, incest, rape, and homosexuality.
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