Tuesday, May 10, 2011

Is Gay Marriage about Equality? Progress in Civil Rights? And What about Polygamy?

A blogger; Marriage is not just about procreation, both for individuals and the state, and it never was. Marriage is even more so not about “the” [sic?] these days. The varied state interests apply no matter the sexual alignment of the couple. Inequality is unjustified.

So you say. I disagree. And so do most all the states. See Map. There is no inequality in marriage being limited to heterosexual couples with the potential for procreation, who role-model the pro-creative unit to future generations, even if they are childless for any reason. Every man and woman has freedom and EQUAL RIGHT to become a hetero couple –if they can find a willing partner. But marriage, by definition, has ALWAYS, historically, everywhere –been the union of man with wife (or wives (plural) in some unequal, unenlightened instances.)

The creation model is Adam and Eve, The Jewish model is Abraham and Sarah (and what a mess they started by letting the wife give the maid to him, bearing Ishmael, claimed by Muslims as their ancestor.) Also Noah and sons and their wives. The OT also says a man should “stay with the wife of his youth.” Then there was John and Elizabeth, parents of John the Baptist, and Mary and Joseph, parents of JEsus –and finally Christ’s words saying a man should leave parents and cleave to his wife and never divorce–cleave to EVE, not STeve. And the NT also says the exemplary leaders of the Church should have only one wife.

As for polygamy, the two religions that permit polygamy happen to have both been started by “angel” communications to one founder each –Mormonism and Islam. Lucifer appears as an angel of light.

II Corinthians 11:13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. [Some Mullahs and Imams, fomenting terrorism –all of them propagating untruth of Islam.] Their end will be what their actions deserve.

There is no biological justification for recognizing gay unions same as hetero. Any benefits in the law are for procreative couples and those who model procreative units before the children. Children don’t need the confusion about sex and sexuality which is generated by homosexuals.

Homosexuals (as well as promiscuous straights) lure people into non-procreative sex addiction. The more we affirm homosexuality, and the more we are dysfunctional as hetero couples with divorce, etc. –the more homosexuals we will produce. We already see where non-gay men “on the downlow” –i.e. men who have sex with men –see homosexual acts as legitimate, non-relational, impersonal sexual recreation –like prisoners and congressmen in airport bathrooms.

Homosexual orientation is something to study and prevent and attempt to fix — it is not to be accommodated as “the same as –or equal to” heterosexuality. Homosexuality is simply counter to our bodily design and purpose. You can’t dignify it with “marriage.” It will always seem both unfortunate and bizarre to those who have the blessing of good heterosexual role modeling in their families and culture.

Good ploy to try to say homosexuality is genetic, inborn, a race, or a disability –and thus we should help homosexuals find one another for happiness together. We should be kind without creating new definitions and examples of “marriage” and “family” which will only be hard on their children and confusing to all children about the issues of sex and sexuality, gender identity and orientation. Gay marriage gives license to something that we should teach and help our children to avoid. Because however orgasms are first experienced with others, they are addictive and affecting the self-image as male or female, gay or straight.

"God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance and have eternal life."--the Bible


Anonymous said...

You are mentally ill, and perhaps one of the most judgemental people ive come across, especially for someone that is so "Christian". I thought it was against your religion to be that way? Why don't you walk a mile off in someone's shoes before you judge, bully and demonize others about the way they live their life. They aren't hurting you, change is natural amd the world is changing so get over it.
Don't blame parents, don't blame the media, there were always gays and there will always be. This generation just decided to stand up for the rigjts they deserve, only to be undermined by bigots like yourself. Instead of spewing your crap, why dont you swallow it.
I'm heterosexual because i was born that way, my best friend of over 15 years is gay because he was born that way.
Get with the times.
Love Trish.

Barb said...

Well, Trish, it isn't judgmental in the Bible to teach right from wrong --and the Bible is clear on homosexuality --forbidding homosexual relations --and saying that God judges it and hates it.

When we don't teach right from wrong to the future generations, they lose knowledge of morals --and act immorally--and don't know what sin is in God's sight --because we failed to teach.

People need to know what is right and what is wrong in order to pursue the one and avoid the other --and repent of our wrong-doings. Repentance is necessary for us to be saved and go to Heaven. If we don't know that our sin IS sin, then we won't know to repent of it.

God clearly designed us for heterosexual coupling --"in the image of God male and female He created them"--and His Word says he forbade any other kind of sex.

So don't argue with me --go to God and make your case for your friend.

My advice to your friend is to repent of sin and our loving God of mercy and grace will forgive him and will change him. Read Leviticus 18:22, Romans 1:18-32 and John 3:16,17.

We are designed by God for female/male union --none other. Anything else is a poor substitute.

The Gaucho Accordion said...

I really am loving your blog today. What a fun diversion from work.

If God made the rules, then I suggest you follow them, Barb. Don't have sex with another woman, to save your own soul.

Funny thing, you can follow all of God's rules without being forced to by the law of the state. Go ahead and try. I dare you to not marry a woman when it's legal. It's hard, but you're such a good Christian, I bet you can do it.

The biggest victory for Jesus would be for you and others to live good, Christian lives, be an example of Christian values to others, and they will join you in faith of their own free will and accord. Making them follow God's rules by changing secular laws is the lazy way to do it.

Barb said...

Groucho (yeah, I know) -- what liberals and gay activists want is for the rest of us to be quiet while they spew their viewpoint everywhere, in media, schools, churches, legislatures. We should just go off in our subculture and mind our own business.

Yet, the fact is, that the Church is called to be brothers' keepers, and light and proclaim truth --the truth of repentance and salvation for eternal life. We are not to be a cloistered sub-culture, quietly minding our own business. We have a role to speak up for what is right. and to assist in society's KNOWLEDGE about God's eternal truths --including HIS definition of sin.

People will die eternally for lack of knowledge --in addition to rebellion against that knowledge.

We will bring our culture down with your idea of morals being only a private matter --chosen from a smorgasbord of values options with no guidance from common sense, history, --and certainly not from God or religion!