Monday, December 20, 2010

American Humanists Attack Scriptures in Media Ads --Role of Women in Scripture Challenged

According to a letter from Answers in Genesis to their supporters:

The American Humanist Association sent our a press release stating:


A national multimedia ad campaign --the largest, most extensive ever by a
godless [their words] organization--launches today and will include a spot on
NBC well as other tv ads, that directly challenge biblical
morality and fundamentalist Christianity. The campaign, sponsored by the
AHA, also features ads in major ....newspapers and magazines demonstrating that
secular humanist values are consistent with mainstream America and that
fundamentalist religion has no right to claim the moral high ground. ask the audience to "consider Humanism." One example is the following pairing:

The Bible: "A woman should learn in quietness and full
submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a
man; she must be silent." I Timothy 2 (NIV)

Humanism: "The rights of men and women should be equal and
sacred--marriage should be a perfect partnership." Robert G. Ingersoll, in
a letter dated April 13, 1878.

AIG notes that context is important in scriptural interp and application. They go on to say that this admonition concerned the separate roles for men and women --that they are equal but have different roles in the church.

I would say that you also have to consider all the other teachings on women in the Bible, examples in scripture --and note that in this letter to Timothy, Paul says, "I" do not allow women to teach in the church and he gives his rationale. He doesn't exactly state that he is speaking for God here, does he?

There is much Biblical rationale to allow women full responsibility in the church today. In fact, fundamentalist Christianity has evolved the role of women more than any other group in all the world --as they were the first to have women preachers --because of the scripture by Paul that says that the Holy Spirit will be poured out on both men and women --and that women will prophesy or tell forth the Word, (same as men, evidently.) Of course, Deborah is an Old Testament example of a woman in a man's role as a judge and military advisor/leader. There is no biblical condemnation of her in these roles.

Jesus allowed Mary to learn at his feet along side the men --which was culturally atypical, we believe --at least when Mary's sister thought she should be in the kitchen instead. Jesus spoke to a woman at the well --an immoral woman --and went to her home to teach her family and friends. He refused to condone stoning the adulteress --after all, where was the adulterer? If the men who wanted to stone her were not without sin, they had no right to stone her, He said.

My pastor once pointed out that the subjugation of woman was part of the curse after the Fall --and notes that Christianity is about resisting and lifting ALL the curses: death, disease, pestilence, pain in childbirth--and subjugation of women.

Paul says slave, free, Jew, Gentile, male, female --all are equal in Christ. The implications are clear, even for the Church --though some churches and Christian men do get adamant about keeping women in their state of subjugation.

I'm glad my denomination is not about the subjugation of women. We had a split over the issue in my local body. The people are sincere in thinking that Timothy's letter from Paul mandates that the church today must subjugate women in roles in church in order to be a Biblical church. I suspect AIG thinks this, too.

We who disagree note that there ARE other issues in scripture where Christian churches have latitude. E.G.: the wearing of jewelry and hats.

A real liberal wants us to let homosexual conduct go, too, along with the subjugation of women. But that's a different matter entirely --and cannot be justifed Biblically, since we were created to be male or female in the image of God for His purposes. Anal and oral sex with our own sex just don't qualify as good and natural, healthy, normal --or Christian or Biblical --by any stretch of interp.

"God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance and have eternal life."--the Bible


Barb said...

Hi Philippe in France --nice you could drop by. I'm sorry your comment didn't make the cut here. I DID send you something funny to your email address --something I thought you'd enjoy. Did you change your address?

Jeanette said...

His computer is messed up and he can't receive email.

It's not a theological thing with me, but I don't like women being pastors. I know Methodists have women pastors and my daughter's liberal Baptist church has a woman assistant pastor, but it just goes against my grain.

Women serve as Sunday School superintendents and teachers, but not as deacons or pastors.

Women are excellent missionaries and there are many ways to serve the Lord without being a minister. If not for one particular missionary couple, of whom I dearly loved the wife, I would not have been saved when I was. It would have been much later if at all, so I have nothing against women serving Christ.

I just don't like female ministers.

Anyway, I hope you had a great Christmas and wish you and yours a happy new year.

My 14 year old grandson requested a study bible for Christmas so we got one for him and one for his 12 year old sister. The others have bibles given to them by their liberal church.

Liberal in ways I almost think it's Catholic. They have two children dressed as altar boys/girls carrying in a cross and a candle holder to light a candle at the front of the church before every service. Never before have I seen this in a Baptist church.

Then they give the "gays are OK to serve in the church" speech and have an active lesbian doing the video for them.

If someone wants to be gay that's their business, but after being saved, I believe they should abstain from sex if that's the only sex they want and should not serve in a Christian church.

Barb said...

Agree with you somewhat Jeanette about women ministers--They aren't my preference either. Our church has just a handful of them. I surely don't like to see these women ministers in some denominations who are "mannish" in their dress and demeanor.

We have one in Ohio who is very likable and successful with a big church --a mother and wife of a minister who was also a pastor of another church and our conference superintendent. She is rare in her gifts for leadership of this kind.

The bible is surely clear about homosexual conduct and God's Creation and procreation intention in our sexual design--common sense and nature also point the way. To call oneself "homosexual" is to admit to sinful longings as though they cannot be rejected and abandoned like other sins.

I don't believe we are created "homosexual" --but male or female --with very few exceptions through birth defect.

Barb said...

Hello to you, too, Mudrake Darlin'!

Glad to see we have our usual readers.