Thursday, March 17, 2016

WHY I OPPOSE KASICH FOR PRESIDENT --his cupcake instruction

The following is from a Facebook discussion on the GOP candidates:  I was saying Kasich is weak on the religious liberty issue --weak on the defense of those who are being persecuted for refusal to use their businesses for same-sex weddings.  He said they should just get along and "bake the cupcake."  (Wedding cakes, he meant --because the bakers WOULD  bake them generic cupcakes.)

LGBT's SHOULD  be treated equally --but not accommodated (or financially enabled) nor even CONDONED and HELPED in their confusion-- nor should our young be encouraged toward this disorientation and gender identity problem --which is what is happening now. More and more youth are pondering "Wonder if....?" --and then "sex-perimenting" with same gender friends -damaging their self-image-and then becoming addicted to orgasms abnormally achieved --and putting themselves at high risk for STD's.

The Bible-believing Christians (and even Muslims who agree on this one issue) do believe Gender is an assignment,  as both Moses wrote it in Genesis and Jesus said it in Matt. 19:4-6. We are created male and female --it is an assignment from God and the Bible says he literally HATES it when we seek orgasms outside hetero-marriage. He forbade it --seeing that people animalistically were seeking them any way they could get them - and promiscuously --to their everlasting detriment.

It is natural for kids to idolize and even envy same gender friends --and to long for such friendship with admired persons. This is not to be romanticized or sexualized. It is delayed development when kids arrest at the same- sex- preference- for -friendship stage. Many roads lead to this disorientation: relationships with parents, peers, seducers, molesters, and porn --role modeling by others --promotion at schools and in media and entertainment --affecting self-image and gender identity and orientation. ENOUGH ALREADY! WE NEED TO HELP OUR KIDS BE MORAL AND GET TO THE MARITAL ALTAR WITH ONE OF OPPOSITE GENDER.

Homosexual temptation and ideation are like other sins which enslave. Sex-perimentation before marriage with people who don't end up as your spouse --often leads to lifetime of singleness --and with single parenting of fatherless kids, in case of heteros. I am blessed to be growing old with my wonderful husband who has never been with anyone but me --and adores me. We are blessed by the social network and safety net my kids are for us and each other. I want this for others --and for our youth --marriage and sex as God intended it. Church and family make communities and nations strong --and ARE a boon for the economy with families (and church communities) looking out for each other and able to help the poor.



  It SHOULD be a top issue when bakers, photographers, florists, t-shirt designers, wedding chapel owners, and caterers are SUED or FINED out of business as happening right now--because they cannot do gay weddings because of the religiously based convictions about what is RIGHT and what is WRONG in God's sight. The State is denying them their first amendment right to freedom of religion. This will eventually--soon--extend to the Christian churches and colleges and schools --which already may have to ADMIT self-identified homosexuals and transgenders to their student bodies in order to compete for tax dollars for their students -- and will be sued if they TEACH the Bible on the topic and don't provide unisex bathrooms, dorm rooms, etc. In Canada the preachers can't broadcast on this topic. A Swedish pastor announced he WOULD preach against homosexuality and the nation took a fresh look at his religious rights by THEIR courts and legislatures to keep him out of jail and let him preach the Bible as written. All based on the lie that homosexuality and gender dysphoria are in-born --genetic. They are not (granted the very rare cases of extra x or y on chromosomes --who usually identify early on as male or female according to predominant characteristics of their anatomy and live successfuly, accordingly, though are sterile. They are the only ones entitled to confusion. The rest of us have an assignment with our anatomy to live as male or female --either in heterosexual monogamy or celibate. That would end ALL STD's, you know --and most poverty related to single parenting.

 These people who are being sued or fined did not refuse to do business with LGBT's --just not wedding business because they know marriage is a sacred matter and defined as union of man and woman by our Creator. the T shirt guy refused pride parade business. They recommended others they knew would do the businessfor them--but LGBT's won't be satisfied until there is no whisper of stigma against their unions as perverse -- and they intend to persecute Christians until they are quiet on the topic -- such that culture loses their sense of right and wrong about sexuality. "Righteousness exalts a nation but sin is a reproach to any people." We fear the removal of God's hand of blessing on the USA if we continue down this hedonistic, selfish path regarding sex --and it's not just the LGBT's at fault, either.
"God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance and have eternal life."--the Bible

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Anonymous said...

You are so full of ignorance and misunderstanding. Listen to yourself.

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Anonymous said...

You, dear Barb, are against my religious beliefs. You defy the created goodness of God's earth and of humanity. So I reserve the right — my deeply held view — not to participate in any of your bigotry and nastiness. Therefore, I will not serve you in my restaurant, provide housing for you, bake a cake for you, or do anything that goes against my religious liberty. You need to be quarantined, locked away in a cage for the rest of your life so that no one else is contaminated by your germs. You see I opposed you for humanity's sake. Who are you Barb wired and where did you ever come from?

Barb said...

Well, I would serve you in my restaurant --make you a birthday cake --just not a wedding cake if you are wanting one for gay wedding or trans-celebration. I would rent to you --but would prefer not to if I had kids around my house. I lived next door to a gay man who was known to be bringing boys from his school for molestation purposes. I caught them in suspicious flirtatious behavior --a fatherless boy. It happens, you know. Homosexuals don't observe the usual societal norms obviously. I wouldn't quarantine or lock you away in a cage --and would protect you if anyone wanted to do physical harm to you. But I wouldn't trust you with youth --nor want you teaching sex ed. I wouldn't try to change the bible or the church for you --because God has designed you for His purposes --and LGBT identification is not His purpose or design for any.

Anonymous said...

LOL: I would not let you anywhere near my grandchildren for one minute. You are a toxic woman and a clear and present danger to youth.


In case you missed it, our president "does not observe the usual societal norms obviously" as do quite a lot of heterosexuals. Trump is a predator and a fornicator and an adulterer. It happened, you know. Imagine our president as a role model for anyone, let alone children. Thrice married and twice divorced, playing around with Stormy Daniels when Melania was pregnant with Barron. Go take Trump to task.

What on earth were you doing butting your head into your neighbor's business? What is his side of the story?

Why don't you write to Trump and take him to task for his sexual molestation purposes.

I would gladly quarantine you. Society needs to be protected from your kinds. God did not design you for your evil purposes.

And since you do not have sex, there is no way you should be teaching sex education. You know nothing about it.

You, in your current state, are not designed for God's purposes.

Barb said...

I wasn't into my neighbor's business --he lived there before we did --and we learned he had a reputation in the neighborhood. But I did witness compromising suspicious behavior --outdoors --on a boat -- with a young male visitor from his military school --though not trying to be in the man's business. He also had an adult "son" who visited --but wasn't a son --just called so.

You're still saying I don't have sex, eh? OK. Think what you will, you hateful old geezer. :)

You always want to bring up the sins of heterosexuals. I agree. I don't approve those either --because God is against all fornication, adultery, same-sex activity. It's all high risk sex for diseases. Two lesbians have the least STD's just because they aren't having sex with the more diseased and promiscuous males as heterosexual women are. But they have other issues.

It's interesting how hateful the LGBT's and their defenders are toward those who follow the Bible's definitions on sin vs. righteousness. They tell us not to judge, but they judge ----HATE --you talk about quarantining.

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Barb said...

You know -I don't express the vitriol you do. Why is it that you and your son and the LGBT's must have everyone agree with them in order to share the same air? I know they don't agree --and I'm not going to express vitriol like you do. You CALL it vitriolic that people don't approve same sex marriage --but I don't have to APPROVE it in order to be socially civil, polite to you and your son and his partner and all the other non-Bible-believing public. At the same time, I shouldn't have to abandon biblical standards in my beliefs or advocacies and teachings in order to make LGBT's and their parents feel better about themselves. or their kids.

As for your belief that lesbians and gays do fine raising kids, the jury is still out. We need a big study of the adult children of gays and lesbians to see how they are faring in life --will they be straight or gay in the same or higher percentages as the kids of straight parents? Will they form normal, procreative, heterosexual-headed family units or be completely liberated from social norms and expectations (and Biblical teachings) of previous cultural eras?

To be committed to God is to be willing to procreate new souls and raise them in "the nurture and admonition of the Lord." He designed us as male and female so we could do that and forbade us to have orgasms with members of our own sex --"for man to lie with man as with woman." It is possible to have "feel good" sex-perience with members of one's own sex, with any other warm body, with other people's wives, with one's own family members --even with animals, we've heard --many things are POSSIBLE (and nothing new) --but ancient and forbidden --contrary to God's WILL and PURPOSE for our bodies. We aren't to "go there." to "mess around" sexually--outside our marital union. We are to protect purity / virginity and fidelity --preserve and reserve it for hetero-marriage. When we contemplate and sex-plore and sex-periment outside that God-designed union, we are sinning against God and man. And there are consequences.

Barb said...

As for the gossip --I didn't spread rumors in the neighborhood --he just had a reputation before we came. He's passed away--probably AIDS. We behaved sociably --had him over once for strawberry shortcake the year before he died. I would not however have let my boys hang out at his house --nor did they try. And he didn't try either, to his credit. He brought boys from his all-male school; didn't need mine.

As for those LGBT's in Christian churches --those churches are not practicing what the Bible teaches about gender, marriage, sexuality and its purpose --and God's design. they are CINO churches --who deny the truth of the Word.

I certainly do decry Trump's past --didn't want him to be the nominee --but he was a better gamble than Hillary because of her known corruption in politics and her liberal party--and he has turned out way better than she. He got the nomination because Carson, Rubio and Cruz split the evangelical/ pro-life vote. Had 2 of those dropped out sooner, Trump might have lost to one of those 3. But despite his personality, marital history, unwise tweeting, and grumpy demeanor --he's right about Iran, No. Korea, NAFTA, the Paris Accord, corp. taxes and regs., the Obama edict concerning school RR policy, Israel, the Wall, limiting immigration, fetal life, transgenders in military, and court judges --and open to praying Christians in the White House --for whatever reasons --it's better than the way O kicked the National Day of Prayer observance out of the White House and invited the Ramadan celebration IN. I understand that the hatred for Trump is all about the court appointments --more than any other single thing. The wall is an excuse the LEFT uses to foment racial tensions --along with the immigration issue in general. Seeking the minority votes in order to get back control of the courts --for fear of losing abortion and gay marriage. I don't see the nation reversing the gay marriage issue --but abortion is on shaky ground with the extreme cruelties being defended by the LEFT. The Right thinks the Left has gone off the rails --of morals, common sense, common decency, knowledge and understanding of history, and the value of free enterprise --and freedoms like 1st and 2nd amendments --and the value of Judeo-Christian foundation of Western civ.

Barb said...

Romans 1:18-32 English Standard Version (ESV)
God's Wrath on Unrighteousness

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[a] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

Barb said...


Jesus spoke to Jews who believed homosexual conduct was sinful. To them He said concerning divorce, the following which provides definition of marriage that has not changed --just because LGBT's want to change it.

Matthew 19:4-6 English Standard Version (ESV)

4 He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”

Anonymous said...

Oh, you are back, with your Bible and bullshit.

Gay and lesbians have been parenting for decades — centuries, if not millennia. No matter what the studies show, you would not believe them and would serve up your Bible and bullshit behind your cataracts. Barb, there are studies that show the children are doing just fine, in fact better than children raised by opposite-sex couples. You can find the studies, Barbed Wire. The evidence is out there. Your junk science has been debunked. Even the US Supreme Court did not find your side convincing in the marriage battle. The same thing happened when state supreme courts ruled in our side's favor.

I see the good parenting of my son and his spouse. Am I supposed to deny and ignore it?

No doubt most of the children raised by same-sex couples will be heterosexual as is the way sexual orientation has played out for thousands of years. A certain percentage of humanity is LGBT in their fundamental sexual identity and gender identity, as you well know. Any number will marry and raise children and life goes on. But what is not going to last are the likes of you. You and your Bible thumping and bullshitters are dying out. The younger generation pays your arguments any never mind The battle is over and you might as well hunker down in your bunker and deal with it.

LGBT families are now a visible piece of our nation's landscape and contribute in so many ways to our nation's greatness in its diversity.

You still have no way to account for the many, many happy LGBT people, their lives and love and families. Why is it that the vast majority of LGBTs do not fit into your pity and pathology framework? Why is that, Barb? You dodge that question all the time. I wonder why. How is it that my son does not fit your world view? Please tell me.


You can believe whatever you want and continue to live in your Bible and bullshit world, with your self-righteous sanctimonious piety. But what you and your ilk will not be allowed to do is enter the public square with your junk science and Bible and think you are going to get away with bearing false witness against my son and our family — and those of many, many others. That did not work in the marriage equality battle or in the LGBT civil rights battle or the battle of gays in the military or the push for transgender civil rights protections or the battle over banning conversion therapy. Just face it — your side has no convincing arguments in the courts or in the public square, state legislatures, or local government bodies. That is the reason you lose. You bear false witness and the goodness of my family and my son's family shine through your evil and ugliness and false witness.

And you do realize that thousands and thousands of people of faith and their faith communities are in full support of LGBT equality.

We shall see just how cruel the transgender ban in the military will be. But as you know, transgender troops are already serving with honor and distinction. Even the Pentagon top brass disagree with his effort to boot the transgender troops. The Pentagon had the Rand Corporation do a study on the effects of transgender troops. Guess what: They found no adverse effects on combat readiness and unit cohesion. And the cost was not prohibitive either. Even if this happens, guess what? When a Democrat gets back in the White House, transgender troops will return. Hopefully, then Congress will codify their service into law.

And you do realize that gay and lesbians are now serving openly and with distinction. And that is working out just fine in case you missed that in your fog of ignorance and bigotry and Bible thumping.

Anonymous said...

There may well be consequences for you, Barbed Wire. When you are asked, why did you bear false witness against your LGBT neighbors? Why did you cling to your ignorance and bigotry when so many LGBT people told the story of their lives and love and families and your turned a cold and hardened heart to their true witness? Why did you deny their humanity? Why did you cling to your bigotry and ignorance when the evidence showed you otherwise? Why did you concern yourself with their alleged sins and not attend to your own? Why were you a hypocrite?


How dare you, you smugly ignorant person, say that my family is not "Bible-believing." We are at least a seven-generation Christian family raised in the Episcopalian Church. I say at least seven generation only insofar as I am still working on our family tree, which goes back to before the Revolutionary War from what I can tell. I can assure you that we read the Bible in our church. How we interpret and understand it, that is a different matter. Our tradition is a rich and wisely considered one. Your dismissive attitude is telling.

You must come from an evangelical Christian denomination or even an born-again denomination. Who knows. In any event, you have no right or business or reason to hold your beliefs out as superior to anyone else's.

But I bet my faith tradition has been around a lot longer than yours and you have no right to say we are CINOs. You are such an arrogant human being, the way your come across. By the way, you dismissive lost soul, my son has a husband — much more than a mere "partner." And I have a son-in-law, which must irritate you to no end.

Anonymous said...

Your politics is even more ridiculous. Trump is wrong all the way around. Kim has played him for a fool. Trump has disgraced us among our allies as he curries favor with Putin and the Chinese and the North Korean dictators. The tax cut was a big fat give away to the wealthy and has increased the deficit and debt. Trump's cabinet is a total joke. He has one of the most corrupt administrations in the history of our country. Nearly every aspect of his life is under investigation by Mueller or the SDNY or the DC and NY attorneys general — personal, political, and professional — as are his family members. Just wait until the Democrats continue their oversight responsibilities and get those document and Trump's tax returns. Which by the way, Trump said he would let us see. Just one of the 9,000+ lies he has told. And oh, yes, Mexico is paying for that ridiculous wall. Sure, Barb, sure.

Even if the SCOTUS rules against abortion, the matter will go back to the states where there will some states with choice and others without. But no matter what, abortions will never cease. Women who do not wish or are not able to continue with their pregnancies will find ways to terminate them.

By the way, a member of our family, not my wife or daughters, had to terminate a pregnancy late in term. She and her husband made the decision in consultation with her doctor and priest. There were very serious health issues for her, and the fetus was not viable at all by then. It was a painful decision for her to make, but she is at peace with the decision. They named the ch8ld and he is buried in the family plot. She is the mother of three children. So you see, women who terminate pregnancies are not doing so to avoid motherhood necessarily.

Another family member, way back in the 1970's, had an early-term abortion because there was no way she could have had the baby given the socially conservative nature of her local community. At the time, she was not married. She would have lost her highly-visible-in-the-community job and been ostracized by the community and her church. I suspect those kinds of conservative attitudes have contributed to any number of abortions.

I also know one woman who had a late-term abortion in consultation with her Catholic parish priest, husband and doctor. She was told that to continue with the pregnancy might affect her ability to have children in the future and the fetus was badly deformed, not viable. Afterwards, she was a shunned by her local parish and screamed at for being "a baby killer." Such is the lovely Christian treatment of women.

Anonymous said...

Regarding Trump again, he is a grifter, a con man, a fraud, a thrice married, twice divorced sexual predator. He lied about having an affair with Stormy Daniels and lied about paying her off. And now we have the bizarre case of the predator's pussy grabbing hand singing Bibles, the same hand that signed the payoff checks. If that is not going off the rails, what is?

One wonder's who else he has paid off. Wonder how many abortions he has paid for? And how many pussies he has grabbed all these years.

You are full of it about the National Day of Prayer in the White House. George W. Bush was the only president who ever regularly organized White House events in observance that day: President Ronald Reagan hosted only one throughout his eight years in office (a 1982 Rose Garden event), President George H.W. Bush also hosted only one during his four years in office (a 1989 State Dining Room breakfast), and President Bill Clinton hosted none at all in the course of his eight-year presidency. Claims that President Obama has “cancelled” the National Day of Prayer because he opted not to hold a public prayer ceremony in observance of the occasion are therefore akin to asserting that Independence Day was “canceled” if a president chose not to attend a fireworks show on the 4th of July.

No official ceremony (presidential or otherwise) is prescribed for the observance of the National Day of Prayer: it is a day on which the people of the U.S. are called upon “to turn to God in prayer and meditation,” however they choose to do so. President Obama opted to issue the traditional proclamation designating the National Day of Prayer in 2009 (as he did again in 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016) while observing the occasion privately.

The United States has observed many unofficial national days of prayer throughout its history until 1952, when President Harry S. Truman signed a bill proclaiming a National Day of Prayer (“on which the people of the United States may turn to God in prayer and meditation at churches, in groups, and as individuals”). This bill did not establish a specific calendar date for the event, but left it up to each president to designate a date of his choosing. In 1988, President Ronald Reagan fixed the date of the National Day of Prayer as the first Thursday of May.


I love how you minimize Trump, what you call "his personality, marital history, unwise tweeting, and grumpy demeanor." It is much more than that. All of that and much more go to the question of character, or utter lack thereof.

You are not correct about the left or me in our view on Trump. It is not that we hate him, we find him, at least I do, as an utterly disgusting human being. For me the heart of the matter is the lying. He has now told more than 9,000 lies or falsehoods (all documented). His rallies are also a national disgrace. He lies to his base, attacks the media for doing its job, and has obstructed justice — all in plain sight. And you ignore this and defend him. How can we trust or put faith in a man who is allergic to the truth? He has brought disgrace to the office of the president and to our nation. In sum, he is a disgusting human being.

As for Hillary, she is not under investigation and seems to be doing just fine.

You are wrong about the racial tensions and immigration. It is Trump who has fomented racial tensions with his intemperate remarks about Mexicans and immigrants and those "fine people on both sides" in Charlottesville. The rallies only serve to rally and rile up the base that holds immigrants in contempt. That is in plain sight, too. Surely, you recall, the immigrants from Mexico bring "crime and drugs, they are rapists." All red meat for those goons screaming, "Lock her up" and "CNN sucks" and those middle-finger-flippping, no doubt, "Christians." How Ironic that the father of the chant, "Lock her up" Mike Flynn, is the one going to be locked up.

Anonymous said...

I can assure you that the gay people whom I know are not worshiping any creatures. There are no "lusts" or "dishonorable passions." They do not have debased minds, let alone "filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice" or "full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness." Nor "are they gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless."

And then this kicker: "Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them."

So you really want to put me and my family to death?

By the way, you better work on your dealing with gossip and spreading rumors that your neighbor died of AIDS. You are a gossip monger.


Anonymous said...

Barb,

Jesus said nothing about homosexuality or gays.

Not a word. His silence is deafening. If it is as bad as you say, surely he would have decried it.

And you know, more than a few scholars think Paul was gay with his hosts of issues.

Anonymous said...

Barb, Not only would I ban you from children and impressionable youth, but also I would ban you from being around pets and houseplants.

Barb said...

I said previously that if your son or you were in danger, I would protect you if it were in my power to do so. The point of Paul's message is not that homosexuals and their defenders deserve death any more than the other sinners listed there --it's that they ARE sinners --like the other sinners listed --and "The wages of sin is death." You may have noticed that we ALL AGE AND DIE. According to the Bible that's because of the FALL of man and the subsequent CURSE of death. We die --because our sins were abominations in God's Holy, Righteous, JUST sight. We are all under the curse of death --and all the diseases and tragedies that effect death. So Paul is saying that those with homosexual lusts and behaviors are sins to which God gives us up --when we abandon His will and way. He designed us for procreation with the opposite sex and the homosexuals have chosen to reject His will --His plan for our design as male and female. I believe they could have rejected the temptation at the FIRST THOUGHT and opportunity to act on it --if they had realized that "the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom." If they had known and believed the Bible to be God's inspired Word --especially on the topic of our creation as male and female for lifetime monogamy and fidelity--as Jesus described it in Matt 19:4-6.

BUT THE GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD. IF WE CONFESS OUR SINS, HE IS FAITHFUL AND JUST TO FORGIVE OUR SINS AND TO CLEANSE US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. GOD IS NOT WILLING THAT ANY SHOULD PERISH BUT THAT ALL SHOULD COME TO REPENTANCE AND HAVE ETERNAL LIFE.

As for Episcopalians --yes, we know about the church split --and the gay pastor who divorced wife (and family) to "marry" his boyfriend and then got elevated to bishop--from whom he is now "divorced." He sure broke his wife's heart, I'm sure --and his vows to her. But that doesn't matter, does it? when addicted to oral and anal sodomy --like a drug.

Barb said...

Jesus defined marriage --and he also said "whoever harms these little ones, were better a millstone were hung about his neck and he were cast into the sea." This would apply to the people having sex with minors and kids --a disproportionate percentage of whom are homosexual. R U aware that CA has a proposed law (I don't think it's a law yet) to excuse "adult" persons who have sex with minors within 10 years of age difference --if I recall correctly. Like 19 and 9?!? 22 and 12? Lunacy. Evil.

Jesus's immediate Jewish audience knew homosexuality was a sin --may have stoned them to death as they tried to do to the adulteress whom they brought to Jesus for His opinion. It is not recorded that anyone asked him about homosexuals --believing it was an abomination --a sin punishable in those days by death (same as with some Islamists today --though you can find plenty of homosexuality in Muslims --like the Pakistani truck drivers with their boys --and see the Afghani-made movie "The Kite Runner" where sex with boys is depicted negatively (as it should be) --but also depicted as a societal scourge --which it is there. I heard it was one good thing the Taliban opposed. Though the movie is not favorable to the Taliban either.

As for Paul --he wrote against homosexuality --and there is no reason to suspect EVERY man who says he can be celibate -as Paul claimed of himself --of being gay. There is no scholarly evidence of homosexuality among the disciples or Paul --just rumored speculation from recent centuries of scholars wanting to discredit the Bible and its stand against homosexuality.


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Barb said...

Ban me against pets and house plants? I keep the latter alive --and too many family members are allergic to pets in the house, so we wouldn't have them. So no worries on your part there!

Notice that you are far more hateful in this discussion than I am. Why the anger just because someone disagrees with you on what the Bible says is right or wrong? LGBT's hate the Christians --but the Christians aren't hating the LGBT's. We are just followers of the Bible --The WAY --the definitions of sin --the purposes for gender given us in the Book. (and by common sense and biology.) There is no reason under heaven to recommend oral or anal sodomy to any youngsters as the PRIDE movement is doing --in the name of "LUV." Which it isn't --not love to induct anyone into these addictive ways of having orgasms which carry so much disease and risk --which damage the self-image --and destroy likelihood that the persons will ever be content in a procreative marriage with the opposite sex --thus women are deprived of good husbands and fathers for their children. The gay and lesbian couples deprive their children of either father or mother --both of which are optimal influences in their development.

Barb said...

We believe in helping infertile couples have children--and perhaps some health policies cover fertility treatments --I'm not sure they do. But LGBT's will demand expensive help to try to change their genders --and also try to help them achieve children --through surrogates or adoption. And we have transmales giving birth --being both father and mother to their children. How much of this do we ask the rest of us to pay for --via taxes or insurances? It is wrong to have an institution that by design deprives children of either father or mother. We already know that divorce is harmful to children--though sometimes necessary due to the sin ful selfishness of some --sometimes one spouse or the other, more than both. Just wait until all your gay-parented kids are adults --let's then evaluate the results. By then, what percentage of the population will be LGBT? before Christ's return and eternal judgment on sin.

Anonymous said...

There is no sin in being LGBT, and you well know that.

There is no lust in being LGBT anymore than in being straight.

You know nothing about my son or his gay identity and yet you rush to judge him and all gays based on your Bible and bullshit.

As for "depriving" children of mothers snd fathers; the children of my son and his husband had been abandoned by both their mothers and fathers. My son and his spouse have provided a wonderful home for their sons. And you attack them. You are a sick woman, Barbed Wire.

The Episcopalian Church has been alive and well far longer than you your yahoo church. We are doing just fine. Your bigotry and nastiness knows no bounds to be attacking Christian faiths.

You are such an ignorant woman. There is no addiction in my sons' lives. Sex addiction is one thing and being gay is another.

You cling to your Bible and bullshit when the vast majority of people have rejected such nonsense.

And you stupid bigot, we already have adult children of LGBTs who are doing just fine. You can find many examples of them but you have to get out of your bigotry bubble. How do you account for them?

Transgender people have as much right to access health care as anyone. Name a transgender person for whom you paid taxes or health insurance.

If you want to blame divorce, then go on a tear about that with heterosexuals and their whopping 50 percent divorce rate.

No one is recommending oral sex or sodomy to anyone.

Now you want gay men to marry straight women and lesbians to marry straight men. Good thing you are not in the marriage counseling business.

When you had sex those four times, did you experience orgasm as addictive? So all orgasms are addictive? You are one sick and messed up woman.



Just so you know, my sons' children have women in their lives, including their aunts and my wife. What is optimal in children's development is the love their experience from their parent or parents. Surely, you can find that out by going on the Internet.

You say I am hateful? LOL You are one of the most hateful people I have ever encountered in your contempt for LGBTs. I get it. You hate gay people and are on a crusade against them. You spew out your Bible and bullshit hate with every key stroke.

But when you go after my son and his husband and their family and my family, you are going to have the fight of your life.

You will not get away with attacking us. You will be fought in every way possible.

You are obsessed with our alleged sins, when you have major planks in your eyes. Pay attention to them and repent your own sinfulness.

One more time: Jesus said nothing about homosexuality. And it is pretty clear to those with eyes that Paul is one big closet case, making your theology. Get a clue.

You write, "I believe they could have rejected the temptation at the FIRST THOUGHT and opportunity to act on it ......" Why did you not follow this line of thought the first time you gave into the temptation of holding LGBTs up to contempt, disdain and ridicule. You are a willful and sinful basher of gay people.

And you know nothing really about Bishop Robinson and his family. And yet you judge him.

You have a lot of sinfulness that you need to attend to, Barbed Wire. You are addicted to hate.

Anonymous said...

You go on and on.

But you cannot answer the very basic question: How do your explain the vast majority of LGBTs who are happy with their lives, the single ones and the ones who are in committed relationships, in more and more cases married — even within Christian denominations? You know those like my son who is married and raising two children? How do you explain this?

How is it that so many do not fit your ridiculous view of them?

Barb said...

Wow you sound dangerous almost --with your angry, hateful rhetoric. THINK ABOUT IT. YOU are FURIOUS with me for not approving homosexuality. I am NOT furious with you defending your son or for disagreeing with me or the Bible. Why is it that you are hateful and furious and I am neither. You CALL it hatred that I think homosexual sex is a sin because the Bible says it is --and it is contrary to nature --biology. But I don't hate your son, my gay relatives, or you. YOU are the ones who hate. I don't wish harm upon you --though the Bible warns it for all unrepented sin.

So think about the source of such vitriol. It isn't Christ. It isn't God, the Father who makes you so angry at those who disagree with the gay ideology. I don't have to have people agree with me in order for me to be pleasant, kind, sociable to them. You hate those who believe the Bible on this topic --I don't hate those who don't believe the Bible or agree with me on this topic.

Barb said...

I know enough about the bishop to know that he divorced wife --had grown kids, I believe --and I doubt she was happy to lose her husband to his boyfriend. And then THEY divorced. That's what I know about him. That should disqualify him from leading a Bible-believing Christian church --but then they haven't been a Bible believing Christian church for some time.

I know --Truth can hurt. But Truth is what it is. Facts are what they are. Since you are SO SURE YOU ARE RIGHT (as I am sure that the Bible is right and my interp of it) --what do you care what others believe? Why do LGBT's think everyone must agree with them? I don't expect everyone to agree with the Bible-believing Christians. I don't feel a need to sue the LGBT's for disagreement about sexuality --to punish them.

Barb said...

So do you think the grandsons will be gay or straight? Of course, it doesn't matter to you --but I would guess they might follow in their "fathers'" footsteps.

Anonymous said...

Vitriol. You spew out your Bible and bullshit in the most hateful manner. You are dangerous to all of us in your bearing false witness against your LGBT neighbors.

The Episcopalians, for your information, still hold ,to the Bible. We just do not interpret the way your yahoo literalists do. We use of minds and history and listen to real live people in our tradition.

My family happens to know Gene Robinson who is a good and holy man despite your bearing false witness against it. You seem to do that a lot, Barbed Wire.

You do not have to agree with LGBTs. But you are not going to get away spewing out your Bible and bullshit and ignorance and bigotry. You are not going to get away with lying about them in the public square.

You have no truth. You are a liar and you bear false witness against LGBTs. I am calling out your nonsense.

Go repent.

Of course, you wish to punish LGBTs. You wish to eradicate them from public life. You would love to take away their civil rights gains. And you know it, you liar.

You. get sued when you break the law. If you break the laws against LGBT people, you, dear Barbed Wire, should be sued.

Yours is a bible-bullshit church of hate.

By the way, we know Gene Robinson and his former wife and husband and the children. So you will not get away with disparaging them. Despite what you say, he is a good and holy man. There you go again, telling falsehoods and bearing false witness against your neighbor. Go repent you sinful woman.

You stupid woman, "fathers" is plural possessive. It has no need for quotation marks, you dismissive and bitter old bag.

What you do not like is that there is so much evidence and proof and real live people who expose your stupidity and willful ignorance and bigotry.

Anonymous said...

Barbed Wired, you prickly old soul,

Still cannot answer the questions:

How do your explain the vast majority of LGBTs who are happy with their lives, the single ones and the ones who are in committed relationships, in more and more cases married — even within Christian denominations? You know those like my son who is married and raising two children? How do you explain this?

How is it that so many do not fit your ridiculous view of them?

Do some homework and get back to me.

Surely, I am not the first person to point out the goodness of LGBT people, the first to ask the basic question.

However my grandsons turn out, they will be loved and protected from you and your ilk.

You have lost, so go deal with it.

Anonymous said...

You have your unrepentant sin to deal with.

Go tell God that you are a liar about LGBT people, that you do not tell the truth about them, that you bear false witness despite the evidence of their goodness.

Repent of your evil doing and the harm you are causing by speeding your hate and lies.

You are hardly "pleasant, kind, sociable" toward LGBTs. You malign them incessantly.

Go repent.

And then tell me:

How do your explain the vast majority of LGBTs who are happy with their lives, the single ones and the ones who are in committed relationships, in more and more cases married — even within Christian denominations? You know those like my son who is married and raising two children? How do you explain this?

How is it that so many do not fit your ridiculous view of them?

Tell me, Barbed Wire.

Barb said...

So, these happy LGBT's you speak of, don't have your problem of vein-popping, foul-mouthed fury toward people who don't agree with them or you?

You say, how can I explain their happiness? Well, I assume they aren't obsessing over people who don't agree with their gender ideology --like you are. I assume their consciences are seared and they don't have the witness of the Holy Spirit to convict them of sin. I assume they've swallowed the Kool-Aid of political correctness regarding sodomy and same sex marriage and see nothing unusual or sinful about it.

But just because you say they are "happy" doesn't mean they are --and you sure aren't. And just because they would claim that they and the boys and all their gay friends are happy --should mean that they don't need to fight the war anymore. In their minds --and yours --they've won. Religion is discredited. The Bible is old hat. They should be blissful and not out suing the few people who still believe they shouldn't make money doing business for gay weddings contrary to God's view of marriage.

They should overflow with the milk of human kindness in their veins --but alas --o no --they are all up in arms like you are, I fear --vitriolic toward anyone who doesn't share their view.

Anonymous said...

There is no gender ideology. But you sure have conjured up a brew of anti-gay ideology mixed with religiosity.

You see you have no explanation because your warped view cannot account for such happiness of the vast majority of LGBTs.

My views are not popping. But I am giving it right back to you. You are way too easy to charge up. You are a liar and a fraud and I enjoy exposing you for all to see. As I said, your viciousness cries out for a corrective.

I am not the one who is constantly posting about LGBT over and over, pouring and pumping out venom and false witness.

You persist in pouring out your contempt on us. Why?

You started this war on LGBTs and have met your match and then some.

LGBTs mean you no harm but you lash out and harm them constantly.

Give it up, Barbed Wire.

Go repent.

Why do you dedicate your life to persecuting gay people? Maybe you have your own unresolved issues with sexuality. After all, you do not have any sex, only four times. LOL


We have won the war and yet you are still griping and maligning LGBTs. You are. bitter and sore loser.

My son and his friends. and their children are doing just fine even as nasty types like you continue your attacks.

You are too much. We are all Christians and are active in our church and local community. Your assumptions come from your perverted ideology and religiosity. You just don't like it that all the evidence and the truth of LGBT life shows how utterly wrong and malicious you are.

Scripture is not about beating up on groups of people. It is about holding up your neighbor and advocating for the poor, the prisoner the outsiders, those on the margins of society. You pervert the word of God, twisting it to a malicious purpose.

This whole blog is s virulent anti-gay space. Just look at the crap you have published,

I am quite happy, retired Army officer with a distinguished career. Terrific wife and children.

No one who constantly lashed out at gay people is happy or secure in his or her sexuality. No one who is happy spends as much time as you denigrating groups of people.

No one who is happy persecutes people.

And as we can see, you are hardly overflowing with the milk of human kindness in your veins. Your veins are flowing with venom, like a snake ready to pounce on anything LGBT,

You ought to go see a psychiatrist so you can get to the root of your venomous inner life.

Anonymous said...

Just look at this blog, Barbed Wire. It is an anti_LGBT screed. It shows how unhappy and messed up you really are.

I see no kindness overflowing here at all. Just your Bible and anti-gay bullshit.

You are not filled with the Holy Spirit.

Your demons are obvious and manifested here.

Anonymous said...

Just to be clear, my veins are not popping. I am LOL at your lunacy and idiocy. Your self-righteous sanctimonious piety is hilarious and you are a fraud.

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Barb said...

Are you Spirit-filled? If so, why do you use so much vulgar, vitriolic language toward me? Aren't you supposed to love and care for my soul as I should you and your son's?

I'm really not a threat to public policy in your son's behalf --the devil is winning the policy war. And I have no desire to see him come to harm --but I honestly, sincerely wonder if his boys can be straight and give the world children for the future? Might they be straight out of rebellion to their gay fathers --as sons DO often butt heads with fathers --to "get their antlers out" one psych said in my husband's training --or will they identify and get into sodomy early in life? What will be the nature of your and your son's "moral education" for these grandsons? Just "wear a condom, whatever you do." And "get your HIV tests?" 35,000 new cases of HIV annually--and a suspected 20,000 more undetected and spreading it --especially the young blacks ages 12-25 approx. who get almost half the new diagnosed cases annually.

You DO know that there is a Man Boy Love Ass'n that marched in the first Gay pride parades --until it became bad publicity for homosexuality. You did hear of the proposed CA law regarding approval for adult-minor sex as long as the age difference is within 10 years --as I understand it. So what does the Episcopal church say about that? All in?

Barb said...

O --I'm glad to hear your veins aren't popping with vitriolic fury --but your words are.

AGAIN, you want me to account for your son's --and yours--and LGBT's contentment and happiness with their identities and lives.

One, just because you say they are happy --doesn't make them so. But if they are, then why are you and they still quaking in fear --and desiring to punish--any Bible-believers who preach the Bible that sodomy and same sex marriage are contrary to God's plan for humans?

The current church of Christ is only trying to protect their youth --and other youth --from going in this highly risky, addictive, non-procreative direction. For sure, heterosexuality and forming nuclear families with mother, father and children is superior for the good of society (and public health) than same sex involvement.

We do NOT want this condition promoted as inborn --when it is not --see misled parents and teachers looking for dysphoria and disorientation in their kids instead of helping them FEEL and identify as normal --getting them through those difficult adolescent years of self-doubt, social insecurity, shyness, --and away from sex-perimentation that can bend the sapling in the LGBT direction. Anyone who WISHES an LGBT identity for their children and encourages it --thinking their youthful depression and suicidal ideation must be about sexuality --instead of their lack of confidence in their sexuality and in their normalcy --aggravated by bullies who love to label and insult (wonder where they learn that, Mr. Spirit-filled Vitriol?) --such parents who think homosexuality is inborn and just as good for kids as heterosexuality--is "exchanging the truth about God for a lie." Jesus Himself said we are made male and female --and for this cause are to leave parents and cleave to a wife --not a same-gender soul-mate. NOTHING wrong with "soul-mates" of same gender --BEST FRIENDS we used to call them. BFF's. If a kid doesn't find good friends of his own sex --or feels unattractive to the opposite sex --or gets molested or seduced into same sex activity -- these are just 3 of many roads that could lead to dys-orientation identity.

WE just don't want to agree with God, do we? when we find that we or our kids are out of sync with Biblical teaching.

Anonymous said...

You write about gays and LGBTs and obsess over them because you are vile, hate-filled, and clearly do not them to be in public lie.

As you know, we do not know the origins of human sexuality, heterosexual or homosexual. And yet you push out your ignorance-based theories that some kind of pathology is the origin. You are wrong and you know you are. There is plenty of evidence point to sexual orientation, either heterosexual or homosexual, being precisely that — in born.

You want your Bible and bullshit views to be what governs in secular society. And that we have been successful in preventing.

The current church of Christ is protecting the faithful from slanderers like you. That is why so many people of faith, clergy members, are speaking out for LGBT rights. To show that your view is not gaining any ground and is losing — big time,

My son and his friends do not fit your pity and pathology scenario, as I have told you. Yet your refute the truth.

You keep digging yourself in deeper and deeper, desperately trying to justify and rationalize your Bible and bullshit views.
Why did you grasp as so many ridiculous straws?

No one is punishing you. But if you break the law, I hope you get what you deserve.

Your views of lesbians are even more bizarre. All you have is pathology and pity anecdotes when there are plenty of examples that do not fit you view. Your family sure has its share of messes.

We are not quaking in fear. But we are vigilant because nut cases like you abound and must be taken to task.

I have been to a few LGBT Pride celebrations and have never seen any man boy love group. But what I have seen is many student groups, religious groups, parents groups, legal and advocacy group, among others. You do know that gay pride celebrations and parades are now attended by many straight people, including parents who bring their children. The kids love it. In fact, my family walked with the P-FLAG group in last year's parade, along with my sons' children.


The fact is that my family is happy and health, and we love all our family members.

The reason you cannot account for the many happy and healthy LGBTs is that you CANNOT. You are so blinded by your cataracts. You keep coming up with more and more ridiculous ideas. You are morally and intellectually bankrupt.

My family is not out of sync with the Bible or God as you know..

You say that you are happy but you remain obsessed with your hate-filled rants against LGBTs. That must come from quite a spirit — yes, a mean spirit.

You know nothing about my son or his husband. They were not depressed or suicidal in their youth or now. They are quite confident in their sexuality , nor where they bullied. My sone was not in "self-doubt, social insecurity, or shyness, --and away from sex-perimentation." But you cling to this nonsense. You are a bully Barb, the Barbed-wired Bully Barb.

No matter what you say or do, we will love our children and defend them from a phony and fraud like you. What we wish for our children is for them to be happy and healthy and productive members of society. My son does not have a disorientation identity. What has led you to such bizarre and insane views? Why do you keep digging yourself in deeper and deeper?

I cannot wait for the next round of crackpot views.

Why do you not believe what I am telling you? Where do you get off imputing this crap on my son whom you do not know?

You want shame them and ban them from the public square, deny them civl rights even take away their marriage right and probably even take away their children.

And the Episcopal Church is not into adult and child sex. You know that.

My advice to you is to stop bearing false witness against my son and countless other LGBTs. Your soul is at risk because such behavior is a big sin. Go repent.

Anonymous said...

I think what explain you is that you are the female version of Paul, a self-hating closeted lesbian, who fends off her same-sex desires by projecting all her fears and secret desires onto others.

No one obsesses about LGBTs like you do unless he or she has some real unresolved issues.

This whole blog of yours is ripe for psychotherapy.

So get some professional help and go repent.

We will pray for you!

Anonymous said...

Barb, You also really need to stop conflating sex abuse and predatory behavior of that sort with homosexuality. They are not the same, and you know that, too. Your slander knows no bounds. If you are a happy person, then I am a Republican! NOT.

Barb said...

Of course you're not a republican --or a Christ follower.

You keep telling me what you are sure I know --e.g. you say I KNOW that LGBT conditions are in-born. No, I don't know that, and it's not true. There is no LGBT gene. It's about child and adolescent development --and various influences on -- and experiences OF -- those young people. It is the exchange of truth about God for a lie and the worship of creature (like same-sex friends and bodies and one's own body) more than Creator. It's rebellion against His assignment of sex/gender as male or female.

You say I know that LGBT's are happy, healthy, normal-living people --I assume you mean the same as heterosexuals in their marriage and parental roles. You say I know their kids turn out just fine with as much likelihood of being straight as heterosexuals' children. Well, of course most homosexuals came from heterosexual parents. But what percentage of homosexuals' children will turn out straight or gay? Time will tell. It's a little soon to measure, given gay marriage is fairly new. Yes, I'll be surprised if youngsters raised by homosexuals turn out straight and successful in hetero-marriage raising children without divorce. Granted, heterosexuals have messed up --and that's why we have so many dysphoric and disoriented kids --that and cultural promotion of homosexuality to explain to kids why they feel "different, socially ill at ease, etc."

GRANTED, homosexuals I have known have been socially outgoing and confident, talented, theatrical (whereas my girl cousin was the shy artist who I believe truly chose homosexuality for lack of heterosexual options in her late teen years.) The gay fellows I know best were very confident and outgoing --but not athletic --and their fathers were problematic. You could see their gay self-image developing --and they all had gay influencers --molester, gay uncle in one case as role model, temperamental unlikable father in one case with domineering mother --who, together, didn't make hetero marriage look desirable to a sensitive musical kid. These are all successful in careers like your son --but cases of arrested development --not going on to be husbands and fathers --but living for self.

I hope to hear from you when those grandsons grow up. I hope they are heterosexual husbands and fathers, successful at lifetime marriage and procreation --for which God designed them.

I KNOW that homosexuals are very often inducted into sodomy lifestyle by older gays -by molesters --and I KNOW that a disproportionate percentage of molestations in America are homosexual in nature --compared to their percent of population. I know that homosexual perpetrators have more victims per perp than the heteros accused of same. I just saw data on that recently.

I suspect you KNOW the critics of the LGBT movement and agenda and ideology are right --unless you are hopelessly benighted --which may be the case after all. The Bible speaks of spiritual blindness. You say there is no LGBT ideology --well, yes there is. You believe in it --that it's a normal, in born variant in human identity and behavior. You believe God doesn't care if people use the solid waste eliminator portal and the mouth for intercourse and orgasms. That's your belief. You believe God doesn't care if men lie with men as with women --or if women abandon the natural use of men to be with women. That's an ideology. And it is contrary to the Bible on the subject of creation, the purpose of sex and gender and marriage.

Barb said...

There are many temptations and sinful ideas and choices. I am one "voice crying in the wilderness" to warn people of God's judgment for disregarding His will for our sexuality. It's not hatred from me --it is from you. You write like you are full of hate and fury. You could be a beheader like an ISIS member given the opportunity --such is your venom. You are so mad at Bible believers on this topic. You don't pause long enough in your raging to consider that the Bible might be God's Word on the topic. Romans 1:18-32 --is the most explicit but not the only Biblical prohibition of same sex relations. It's very contemporary in clarity and relevance to today's situation.

I wonder if you ever thought homosexuality was sinful. If you did, you would have been broken-hearted to see him develop this self-image. And I feel sorry for parents experiencing this. They should keep loving --and praying --but it does not good to tell the next generation that the Bible is wrong --therefore not God's Word --that God doesn't mind if we sin.

Barb said...

BTW ---I really am not a closet lesbian as accused by you. Sorry. I just think this delusion which was severe enough that God destroyed cities for it --is such that people need to be wary of this trend that started (quixotically) with the AIDS epidemic in the U.S. Yes, I know all about the revisionist historians who suggest sodomy wasn't the sin of Sodom --but rather, the all inclusive "inhospitality" --which certainly included all the men and boys coming to Lot's house to have sex with the angelic men guests in his home.

I hear that archeologists think they have found the scorched earth city of Sodom by the Dead Sea. The understanding through thousands of years is that Sodom was destroyed because of the homosexuality of the men in that city --as well as other egregious wickedness. Just as Romans 1 talks not just of that sin, but others. ALL sin has that wage of death--and we all die --but "The Gift of God is eternal life through Jesus our Lord." We need to agree with Him about our sin nature --and the nature of sin. There are many ex LGBT's who have come to that agreement. Read Rosaria Butterfield --or see her on youtube. she is very respectful of the community she left. But left and saw it as a wrong road she had taken.

Anonymous said...

Of course, I am a Christ follower. You are not, or you would not spread your bullshit and Bible nonsense.

You thump your bible and go to your cauldron for your witches brew of bile and venom to hurl out at LGBTs. That's all you got.

I would suggest that you pause and take hold of yourself and think about the very real possibility that you are wrong about LGBTs and that you may well pay a price for it.

The children of gay parents will end up as they are intended to be. Some will be gay and the vast majority of them will be straight. We know that a certain percentage of the population is LGBT in its primary sexual orientation and gender identity. That has been pretty constant over years and yeas and years. You know that.

One more time, oh dense Barbed Wire, my children and I am my wife do not worship creatures. We are active in our church.

You are nuts. Gay people have been raising children for decades and no doubt centuries.

And doing just fine. Now that LGBTs can marry; they will do better no doubt because they have the benefits, rights and responsibilities of marriage that YOU would have been happy to deny them.

That is why we fight people like you so that you are not able to bring real harm to LGBTs by finding ways to discriminate against them in housing, employment, credit, public accommodations, marriage, among others. You will not be permitted to do that.

And when you bread the law and do so, you should be prosecuted and face the penalties.

You sure do behave and think like someone struggling with her sexuality and inner demons.

The goal is not to raise all straight, married children. The goal is to raise happy, healthy, and productive members of society. You are the one that wants a fertility cult.

You ignorant and stupid woman. My son lettered in both high school and college in tennis. He was very much an athlete. One more stake against your pity and pathology mind set. Give it up, you old bag. I was not a problematic father, you old bag.

And you persist in conflating sex abuse and predators with being gay. There is no evidence to support that, and yet you continue to push that out there. There is also no recruitment into a sodomy lifestyle. There you go again with your lifestyle bullshit.

The critics of the LGBT movement are fore the most part nut cases like you. You push out your Bible and bullshit against all the evidence and the lives of LGBT people.

And now you profess to know about the sex lives of LGBTs. As you know, nut case, heterosexual are doing your "sodomy" in increasing numbers, and I bet you want to blame that on the gay community. How lovely from you who has had sex four times in her life and no sex now.

I had no real view of homosexuality until my son came out to us as gay, so I had to do a lot of reading and thinking and praying and soul searching on a personal level. And as an Army officer, I was heartbroken when I had to discharge gay soldiers even though they were superb soldiers. I celebrated lifting the ban on gay and lesbian troopers. And as you know, Barbed
Wire, there are no problems with gay troops in the armed forces. And as you know, all the studies showed no adverse effect on unit cohesion or combat readiness. Same for transgender troops.

Talk about blinded. You are totally blinded by all your Bible and bullshit and junk science. You revel in every anecdote that gives your warped view on LGBTs their currency. Your problem is that you refuse to see the truth that is out there about LGBT people.

There are not many ex-gays. There is no such thing as an ex-gay. They remain gay and struggle with their true identity. They struggle with their same-sex attraction and desire because that is what they are — gay.l

Anonymous said...

However, there are ex ex-gays those who were harmed by religious based and other conversion therapies or reparative therapies that do considerable harm to gays. You must know about them.

Sodom was destroyed because of lack of hospitality and raping angels and being over fed. Perhaps you are inhospitable and overfed and the will lead to your being destroyed. God will not look kindly on your bearing false witness against my son and others. He will ask you why did you not listen to their stories? Why did you persecute them? Why did you slander them? You got quite a bit of sin to tackle their Barb.

You are always hearing this or that or something that you gobble up to feed your crack pot theories.

Here some study material for you:

https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-wellbeing-of-children-with-gay-or-lesbian-parents/

https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-whether-conversion-therapy-can-alter-sexual-orientation-without-causing-harm/

https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/%20what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-acceptancerejection-of-lgbt-youth-2%20/

https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/

You go do your homework, Barbed Wire.

You start with your Bible and then hunt for bullshit to justify your narrow reading of the Bible. That you have your own unresolved issues with sexuality fuels your fervor. You say you are not a closet case. But you are, Barb, you are.

Barb said...

You just get worse and worse in your hatred, don't you? I plan to quit corresponding soon before you explode --or one of your veins gives way! Yes, I start with the Bible. I also know that researchers have to keep publishing or perishing --making up hypotheses to try and prove. Time reported that hundreds of published articles in peer reviewed journals had to be discarded for fraud in the last few years. In some cases, Asian companies had been hired to fictionalize some research and write-ups. So when you tell me the gays and transgenders are studied by the soft social sciences (psychs and sociologists) --and found to be this or that --I take it with a grain of salt. The data on diseases, however, is likely "harder" science --based on real stats more than speculations. And the fact is --and I told you this, the men who have sex with men are most at risk --getting the 80% of the STD's --including HPV cancers from sodomy and I told YOU that the women were getting those sodomy related HPV cancers, too --anal and oral pharyngeal --because hetero men have decided they should commit oral and anal sodomy with their heterosexual women. You act as though you were telling ME something I didn't already tell YOU --about hetero activities.

One's hope would be that marriage and adopting children would make homosexuals more normal in their aspirations and lifestyles --less promiscuous than previously proven to be. BUT in fact, SOME gay activists have admitted that marriage wasn't expected to make them monogamous --but just more respected with more marital benefits and perks.

I'd be more impressed with your views if you admitted that the lifestyle was terribly promiscuous when AIDS came to light in the US. 2 stranger encounters per week were self-reported by homosexuals to their docs in the initial research on GRID (Gay related immune deficiency ) as it was first labeled. That's 100 partners a year. And it's not love. HIV came to the U.S. from gay vacationers in Haiti who were promiscuous there with strangers whose HIV was traced to Africa.

As for love of creatures --we all love creatures --created beings. But we aren't supposed to worship creatures more than Creator --and heterosexuals can do that, too, of course. But God's word says that worship of creature (people in general / same sex persons/ self) more than Creator can lead to the consequence of homosexual attraction --lust --indulgence.

You spoke of the occurrence of lgt identity in one's offspring as being a static percentage --but in fact, it's growing with the propaganda --the promotion--the PRIDE. More youth are identifying as L, G or T. IN fact almost 2 per cent of h.s. students are identifying as transgender now. You'll say, it's just because it's safe to do so now. Well, actually not. They still say they are bullied and afraid to walk home, etc. But LGT identities are almost a fad --a trend --and some youth find meaning in being different--"special."

OF course, you may have seen on the news the fellow who decided he wanted to be a woman (not to be with men as he had a wife) --he just wanted to be a woman--and then he looked in the mirror and saw a man and decided he was one. but not before he had gotten his state and others to let him label himself non-binary on his birth cert --and no sex on his driver's license. Now he admits to mental problems and blames his physicians for indulging his delusion.

Barb said...

WATCH the transgenders who get hormones and mutilating, sterilizing surgeries as kids turn around and sue their parents and their doctors some day--like the kid who recently complained of his parents not getting him vaccinated. And the one who complained that his parents birthed him without his permission. I recall Rosie O'Donnell's son at 6 or so complained that he wanted a father. I know a gay couple raising an adopted daughter (they said they'd take what the woman birthed--but they preferred a son.) The girl is acting mannish --with her male role models. She had a series of nannies coming and going --never to bond like mothers without disruption. I think it would be hard on a little boy who only had 2 women as his primary parents. God planned it so children would have the benefit of both mother and father. Who are we to deprive them of God's plan?You think I will find out that God doesn't care about this issue. I don't think so. You don't like my anecdotal reinforcement for my views --but you will only admit to knowing positive anecdotal evidence for your views --all the lovely homosexual couples and their happy well-adjusted kids. I bet you know some examples that fulfill my expectations of LGT life --similar to the examples I've witnessed. The gay activist who adopted a girl with his partner--also molested a boy in a church RR. Many many gay priests have molested homosexually. And you agree with their gay victims who deny molestation was a factor. Right! And you know your Episcopalian bishop --and see nothing wrong with him divorcing the wife to marry the boyfriend --then being named bishop --and then divorcing boyfriend . Well the latter was probably the right thing to do because he never belonged with a man as God's clergy man.

That's not judgment on my part. That's Biblical truth. Did he get back with his wife?

Barb said...

Sorry to disappoint --but I've loved God's plan for me --and His man for me. My interest is in Christian Education, spiritual formation, and values formation in children and youth. I have always thought a lot about how to help kids have faith in God and Christ --how to help them avoid pitfalls of modern youth culture that would lead to atheism and paths of sin.

Today, one huge pitfall that can destroy a city or a soul is LGBT Pride. Pride in that which God has called an abomination. A lifestyle that has killed so many from HIV around the world. And it includes heterosexual promiscuity as well. The destruction of the American family as it was intended to be --a man with wife and their children.

If it were just 2 men wanting to hold hands and care for one another --but it isn't. It's anal and oral sodomy as a substitute for God's procreative design of man with wife. That's why it's an abomination --something God detests. He doesn't object to love, to affection, to normal procreative sex --but its substitutes which have no potential to produce children --nor to role-model the natural order. You'll say there are other couples who can't or won't procreate --say older people --but they still role model the natural order. God's design for male and female sexuality.

Anonymous said...

You obviously did not read the articles that I sent along, which is typical of your Bible and bullshit.

Why did you not look at the research?. And you have the nerve to tell me that the research is contrived and made up. It is your junk science that has been debunked and yet YOU BELIEVE the crap. The reason you do not want to read the research is that it will confront and destroy your perverted world view.


The studies that have been discredited are from your junk science crowd. Just look at the dozen and dozen of studies that call your nonsense out for what it is — a fraud. and nasty and mean-spirited.

Those studies about disease are also many times self-report. And you make it out that all LGBTs are promiscuous, which is also a lie.

My sons have not ever had an STD. Nor have their friends.

Only you would come up with the idea that gay men should marry women and lesbians should marry straight men. That has got to be one of your most bizarre suggestions. Getting married to the opposite sex does not cure or change gay people. How stubborn and ignorant and stupid can you be?

That is nuts about gay activists saying that marriage only made them more respectable. My son knows many of the gay and lesbian legal advocates, all most all of them who are married with children, namely Mary Bonauto, Evan Wolfson, Kate Kendall, Jenny Pizer, among many others. Same with transgender legal types like Jennifer Levi. You are wrong as usual.

You are so wrong that it makes you look utterly ridiculous here.

The fact is that the vast majority of LGBT people do fit my view and the views of the stories they tell and the literature. I could easily point to the pity and pathology of heterosexuals and paint quite picture of straights.

There is no doubt that the AIDS epidemic was a terrible tragedy. But don't forget that when Reagan and Bush said and did nothing, it was gay men and lesbians who went to the front lines of the battle providing care and activism to wake up the nation. And in case you missed the news, AIDS has affected heterosexuals, too. In fact, world wide it is primarily a heterosexual phenomenon.

One good thing about the AIDS epidemic was that it brought a lot of gay men and lesbians out of the closet and into the public eye — along with their advocates and defenders. That changed the dynamic considerably. People saw real live LGBT people and the lies from the likes of you were destroyed.

You know nothing of the sex lives of any LGBT. Unless you are poking into their bedrooms and being nosy like with your neighbor.

The numbers of LGBTs has been pretty constant over decades, anywhere fro three to five to the percent of the population, with gay men being greater in numbers than lesbians. Where have you been?

Anonymous said...

Again one of your most laughable claims that " huge pitfall that can destroy a city or a soul is LGBT Pride." That is utter nonsense. Where have you been? LGBTs have moved into neighborhoods and sections of cities and transformed them. Boston, where my son lives is a prime example. The city's South End bears witness to that, as well as other sections of the city, Jamaica Plain and Back Bay and Beacon Hill, among others. Take a look at the revival of any American city and you will see gay men in particular at the vanguard of that development.

Tell the people of South Bend, Ind., who elected Pete Buttigieg their mayor twice that he destroyed the city.. He gets raves reviews from his constituents and is now running for president. This is a Harvard alumnus, Afghanistan war veteran, and Rhodes Scholar. He also recently got married. How do you account for him? Depression? Suicidal ideation? Sex abuse and molestation? What pity and pathology would describe his success and happiness? Come on, Barb, star up your witches brew of bile and venom. You'll come up with something.

How about the governor of Colorado, a gay married man with children living in the state's governor's mansion. He was elected. It must drive you absolutely out of your mind to have to deal with these successful men in politics. Come on, Barb, serve up some pity and pathology for him, too. Or while you are at its go after Sean Patrick Maloney, a gay congressman. Got some witches brew to explain him.

Go after Tammy Baldwin, US Senator from Wisconsin. Explain her away under your pathetic world view.

Anonymous said...

One more time, too, there is no sin in being LGBT.

LGBT Pride parades and celebrations bring hundreds of thousands of people — gay and non-gay — into the city where they enjoy themselves and spend money, thereby helping out localities.

You ought to go to a Pride event and witness this.

Again, you are throwing out your creature nonsense. How many times do I have to tell you, that we do not worship any creature. We worship God.

As for Gene Robinson, gay men who divorce their wives because they are gay do not get back with them or remarry them. What do you not get — they are gay. But he and his wife are on good terms as he is with his former husband.

Why would you suggest a gay man get back with his straight wife? That makes no sense.

You have got to be kidding me about gay clergy: There are ordained clergy among the Lutherans, Presbyterians, United Methodists, United Church of Christ, Baptists, Reform and Conservative Judaism, among others, like the Unitarian Universalists. At Boston LGBT Pride these faith communities have contingents with their clergy among those who trek the parade route.

The Catholic Church is full of gay priest. In fact, I have been told they keep the church running. Without them there would be no church. What is sad is that they are not at liberty to be out. And no, they are not molesting children. Predators and being gay are not the same thing. That has been studied and debunked too.

As for the destruction of the American family, look no further than heterosexual divorce for that. And yet gay married couples and others with children are building the American family. You just don't like their families.


As for your being in "Christian education," you should be kept as far away from children and young people as possible, lest you fill them with your virulent anti-LGBT ideology, bullshit and junk science. Kept away from pets and house plants, too. In fact all living beings.

Your attitude would send young people running away from church as fast as possible — gay and straight alike. Fortunately, young people do not buy your anti-gay vitriol.

You also crack me up, you would vilify two men holding hands and caring for each other, too. You despise their very identity, Barbed Wire.

How is it that you only have anecdotal evidence that supports your pity and pathology world view of LGBTs? Surely you have seen and read examples of the vast majority of that do not fit your maddening world view.

I have seen same-sex couples and their children. My sons two boys interact with my wife and his sisters all the time. The same for lesbian couples who have fathers and brothers. Get a clue here.

Anonymous said...

Let's take on some more of your crap.

The victims of clergy abuse in the Catholic Church do not point to gay priests as the predators. They point to very screwed up men who had warped sense of their sexuality. And we know that about 40 per cent of the victims are women! Even the gay men who were abused by priests to not blame gay priests. Preying on children and youth is a pathology.

The children of same-sex couples understand that their families are different. And their families are not so different as those with single parents. Or from families where the parents do not live together any longer. My grandsons told me that some of their friends wish they had two daddies, too. Children see all kinds of families these days in schools. And fortunately, the schools are welcoming the students of gay couples with open arms. Their parents, too. My sons go to open house and mingle with other parents. My sons attend school functions as a couple and are considered every much the same kind of parent as all the rest.

I have read and met some gay people who really struggled with their families' rejection of them. And in some cases that rejection and stigma led to health problems both physical and mental. But they overcame those difficulties just as other children with troubling family backgrounds strive to do.

I can only imagine how you would treat a gay child of your own let alone my son and his children.

Barb said...

I never suggested lesbians should marry men and gays should marry women. U R the one who believes these identities are God-made and in-born. Being male or female is God's design. Being Gay or Lesbian is developmental after birth. And thus preventable. Men should marry women and women, men. There is no such thing as being genetically lesbian or gay or "born that way." I did ask if your bishop re-married his wife, not wanting to continue to be a wolf in sheep's clothing out of sync with Scripture. He was capable of procreation, having children. Able to be attracted to his wife enough to do what men do. But he had probably been inducted into the forbidden fruit of homosexual activity early in life --as a minor --or a child. And there is something about the forbidden that holds allure for some people apparently --the devil's allure --and his lie, "Hath God said, 'Thou shalt not...? or surely die?'" he asked Eve and then assured her that she would not die. And she didn't! not then. But now we all die. And we need to decide whether to believe God or man --on the subject of His creation purpose for gender and sexuality --on the nature of sin and our sin nature.

The fraudulent research articles were discarded from journals that believe what you do. The articles they had to discard AFTER publication due to fraud were not said to be by people critical of PC gender ideology --as these peer-reviewed journals probably wouldn't CHOOSE to publish anything that would get them in hot water with the powerful PC change agents on climate and sexuality. They just found that real research had not been done as claimed --nor really peer reviewed either. It was at least 200 articles in one year --I'm thinking more from another year, too. One lady used her maiden name as her peer reviewer. (from Time magazine --in the last 1-3 years --not sure which issue.) They explained there is also a difficulty finding and funding appropriate experts to do peer review even of the genuine research studies. It takes more time than experts are willing to give for minimal pay. So their reviews aren't the same as replication of the studies would be.

And again, the social sciences are "soft" --highly speculative --laced with opinions and theories that are difficult to prove.

Nevertheless, the crime data is comparatively --relatively--hard science. And the truth is that a disproportionate number & percentage of reported child and youth molestations are by males on males --not necessarily exclusively pedophile in their sexual activities as the LGBT change agents often claim.

Barb said...

I don't have time to waste reading your LGBT bogus, pseudo-science propaganda this week --maybe eventually. I'm sure that subjects for study of gay parents are carefully selected from liberal elites making good money, functional, sober persons, I would assume. Two of my gay relatives are at the top of their career ladders --neither has kids but are partnered as far as I know. I think they are both republicans, too. But the self-image got damaged such that they decided their "difference" might be homosexuality. I find that any bio's by homosexuals usually reveal early sex experience with same sex persons --or at least first sex experience with same sex person, early or not. I can IMAGINE that first sex with the opposite sex could also be unsatisfying being pre-marital. Guilt can prevent the pure pleasure God intends in procreative sex, I would assume. And we know that depression and alcohol plague many homosexuals --which you would attribute to society's non-acceptance of them --if you even admitted this were true. But I think it was JAMA that reported that the depression rate for transgenders in a European study was greatest AFTER their surgery -despite their general acceptance by society there. I would bet that's when they realize their sexual function and feeling have been decreased --and they still aren't the sex they are trying to be --not satisfied with the results of the surgery --besides all the effects of hormones on emotions.

Barb said...

Correction--the SUICIDE rate --not just depression--of transgenders was greatest after surgery.

Barb said...

Well, that explains Colorado's MJ problem--gay governor will be liberal in all ways. They've DOUBLED their traffic death rate in the first year after MJ legalization.
Was it true, I wonder, that they agreed not to arrest persons defecating on the streets of Denver?

I'm well aware that the talented, bright homosexuals have improved some dilapidated neighborhoods --putting their artistic and creative talents to practical use. Rosaria Butterfield was host to weekly meetings of the college gay community at Syracuse u as a prof there --teaching queer studies among other courses in English dep't? --they were into animal rescue and various "good works." Very "green" in their concerns. But she decided if the bible were true, then she was in trouble. She doesn't speak of any molestation history--just of always enjoying the conversation and company of women --with whom she was most familiar and comfortable. She's now married to a male minister and raising adopted kids --having married in her 40's, I believe. Home schooling them. She spoke of enjoying the touch of his hand on her back as they walked along ---awakening to hetero attraction, I guess. She had been mannish in her appearance --until she gave he heart to Christ --and she showed up as a scheduled speaker for the college orientation week in heels and skirt. Shocking. And she spoke of how education should open our minds to considerations of other perspectives (which of course you and LGBT 's would agree with."

I've opened my mind to pondering the WHY's of gay identity and homosexual formation--ideation and activities. Which is why I write about it. I really do NOT lack pity and compassion for the deluded, the dys-phoric and dys-oriented. But I can't see how anyone wants to commit oral and anal for orgasms. Absolutely gross and repugnant to normal sensibilities --and something to avoid like the plague of AIDS which it has caused around the world --spread by both hetero- and homosexuals who shun purity culture and God's plan for man --and woman.

Barb said...

As for the destruction of Sodom --and cities. I believe there is just as much reason to blame the sins of our culture --all of them --for the natural disasters occurring around the globe. Houston, Puerto Rico, California --fires, hurricanes --and other disasters --have occurred in cities where there is a strong homosexual population and social life --it's a matter of time before America is no longer free and prosperous. We are heading for the abyss led by the Democrat party and their love of sodomy and abortion --those twin evils repugnant in the sight of God --abominations. "Whoever harms these little ones, were better a millstone were hung about his neck and he were cast into the sea," said Jesus. Who also said "you have read it in the scriptures --that from creation God made them male and female --and for this REASON, man is to leave parents and cleave to his wife." Sorry for the cliché --but "Eve --not Steve." We are right to call out all the molesters --and there are praying Christians --a revival of prayer --hoping God will stay His hand of judgment that we might continue to be the nation that sends the missionaries and serves as a light to the world --as Jesus's people. And admittedly, stay in our comfortable prosperity and peace --security, too. But the Libs are lifting God's protective hand over our country as we officially call evil good, and good, evil. As you are doing when you express your hatred for me. I don't hate you or your son or your grandkids. I would not make the wedding cake or the flowers for their wedding --but I would offer a free birthday cake and flowers --as a peace offering. As my role is not to hate --but to teach what God's Word really DOES say --and what biology really DOES say --instead of helping you to "exchange the truth about God for a lie" --as the Episcopalians have done --thus splitting their church. As the UM's decided not to do --led by their wiser African clergy. Their church may have some splitting from this, too as several of their clergy and congregations have already bought the lie.

Barb said...

The most absurd thing you expect me to believe --is that gay adults who were molested by priests aren't gay as a result of that molestation. Gays are addicted to their gross, forbidden way of having sex. They don't admit the logical and observable causes. How many adult gays WERE victims of molesters? It's not helpful to their agenda to admit the truth.

Google News puts LGB's at about a third of U.S. molesters --and account for about half of U.S. child victims. Being homosexually raped creates homosexual tastes in many while rendering others so sexually disturbed they fail to reproduce --and LGBT's promote and model the notion that reproduction is a personal option instead of a civic duty. 2.1 children per woman is required to assure the future --Massachusetts' fertility rate is 1.53 now.

US gov't surveys report the proportion of LGBT's is growing --doubled in three decades. Homosexuality is contagious --spreads to others --data proves they are more apt to rape children and engage in personally injurious, anti-social, and socially-harmful activities. Encouraging their agenda means more will become LGBT --and hasten our demographic decline.

Truth is not the same as hatred. I feel very sorry for you and your son --and the boys --no matter how materially blessed they are with wealth and affection. What will be the moral education your grandsons will get about sex from their parents? Will they be urged to "sex--plore their sexuality" and "sex periment" to see what they prefer? Will they be told that a longing or admiration of same -sex friends probably means they are homosexual and should identify and sex-periment accordingly? They WILL be told that anal and oral sex are natural behaviors for which they are created. That's a lie.

Anonymous said...

There you go again, you old bag. You know nothing about Gene Robinson's life and yet you speculate about his gay identity, which is God-given in spite of what you say. And you bear false witness once again. You are an unrepentant sinner. Go repent.

By the way, when were you seduced into the anti-LGBT hating lifestyle? When you realized that you were really a lesbian and did every thing possible to fend off your same-sex desire And there has to be something addictive about your incessant need to attack and vilify those you do not know. The first time you bashed gay people did you get a high. Did you need to repeat that pleasure. Is bashing gay people like an orgasm for you. Clearly you are addicted to vilifying gay people. You cannot break the cycle of your addiction. Or deny that you are a closeted lesbian. But then you have not had sex in years, if not decades. I forgot.


You are afraid to read the credible research because you need the comfort of your safe space. There are hundreds and hundreds of research studies that show your pathetic pity and pathology world view does not hold.



Go ahead, Barbed Wire. You do not want anything to disprove your junk science. You see you are a fraud.

The studies in the links were not debunked. They stand and hold and bear witness to the truth of your lies.

And you still refuse and cannot account for the vast majority happy and healthy LGBT people, those who are raising children, like my son. You hold up your bible and bullshit examples and deny the vast majority.

Only nut cases like you think that sex molestation is the same as being gay. Sexual predators are not all gay.

OMG. -- you are blaming tragic deaths on the gay governor of Colorado, You are one sick and delusional old bag,

LOL. I guess God took out his vengeance recently when that tornado ripped through the Bible Belt in Alabama. You know where all the Bible-believing and porn using "Christians" live. Or when the hurricane ripped through the Florida pan handle where more Bible-believers live. And when tornadoes rip through the red states in the Midwest. Watch out, Barbed Wire, the weather is going to get you eventually.

The country is being run to the ground and to destruction due to the Republik Party and Pugnicans like you who worship your creature Trump and his porn star presidency. I am sure you and your family look to the moral example of the thrice married, twice divorced, predator, adulterer and fornicator for your sexual cues. As your sexperiment and sexplore your options in the land of moral Trump. Will you and yours be grabbing pussies and then lie about your sexploits.

The Episcopal Church is doing fine. Our local church is thriving. No one is rushing to the yahoo Bible-believing evangelical churches like yours.

Anonymous said...

That is right Barbed Wire the old bag. The gay men molested by priests are not gay because they were molested. And the priests who molested them are not necessarily gay either. How do you account for the 40 percent of women who are survivors?

You have not opened your mind to gay identity. It is shut. You have all the answers from your Bible and bullshit junk science and anti-LGBT ideology. You thrive on it.

You have no empathy or capacity to understand because you keep going back to your witches brew of pity and pathology. And then you throw in a Bible verse or two to cast your spells.

Guess what; your gig is over. You have been exposed for the fraud and liar you are.

You cannot admins to the truth of LGBTs because to do so would harm your agenda of attacking them.

I do not feel sorry for you. You are in your witches brew and there you shall brew all alone or with the few pity and pathology cohorts.

The percentages of LGBTs in the population has been in the range of three to five to ten percent for decades. In voter exit polls the numbers are lower in some cases.

You stupid woman, Massachusetts is one of the few states gaining in population.

Since when is reproducing a civic duty. Your kind should not reproduce at all.


This pathetic blog has been exposed for the crap it puts out.

Let's complete this picture: An old bag of. woman who has no sex life, sits at her computer lashing out at LGBTs. She says she is happy and a good Christian woman, but she is really a bitter old woman who is a danger to all living things. She has nothing better to do but attack gay people. She clings to her Bible and her bullshit and refuses to read any credible scientific studies because she needs her safe space of hatefulness. And then has the audacity to think she has any business educating children about her virtuous life of attacking people she does not really know.

That is why you need to be confronted and exposed for her ugliness.

When in doubt, she blames gay people for all things that happens.

I guess that is why the people of South Bend, Ind., re-;elected their gay mayor with a whopping majority of the vote. She wants to blame the woes of the world on gays but refuse to give credit to Mayor Pete Buttigieg for the revitalization of the city.

Old bag Barb is such a mess.

Anonymous said...

By the way, South Bend re-elected Mayor Pete Buttigieg by an 80 percent vote margin. They love their gay mayor. Must drive you absolutely out of your bigoted mind.

Barb said...

I think I get why your son is gay. I bet you were this kind of father --no gentleman --foul-mouthed --no role model of a hetero gentleman. Temperamental and hateful to any who disagree with you. That's the kind of father one of the gays I know had. A little humility and remorse would become you.

If Mass. is gaining in population, it's not from their birthrate. Though any state with the Muslim immigrants brought over here in droves will see high birthrate of Muslims. And that won't bode well for homosexuals or liberals --even if they vote for you. They aren't known for approval of gays or any other "infidels."

You think I'm such an awful human being. Yet civility is a foreign concept to you: You've said of me:

a "bigoted mind"; "Old bag" ; "nutcase"; "such a mess"; "Old bag Barb"; "ugliness"; "stupid woman"; "fraud & liar"; "ugliness"' "old bag of a woman with no sex life"; with "bullshit junk science"; "sick & delusional old bag"; "your kind should not reproduce"; "bearing false witness"; with "witche's brew";"closet lesbian" (which you should consider a compliment.)

I'm always impressed with your ability to misquote:

"Only nut cases like you think that sex molestation is the same as being gay. Sexual predators are not all gay."

Sigh. I never said sex molestation is the same as being gay nor that all sexual predators are gay. I've said that while most child sex crimes are committed by heterosexuals, homosexuals are charged with a disproportionate third of these.

No, I'm not blaming traffic deaths on your gay and liberal gov. in Colo. --but on the mj that his state legalized with his blessing, I assume.

I'm happy if a homosexual mayor can clean up a city--or when gays re-build a derelict neighborhood --or any good thing accomplished by ANYONE.

As for the Gay parades --I've seen videos --It's not just homosexuals marching --it's vulgar behaviors on display.

Bottom line --you can't dignify anal and oral penetration for sex. Nor make it natural, sanitary, entirely safe for health, fertile or pleasing to our Creator. Nothing about it is inborn or inevitable --or immutable. It is simply not according to design. And instead of glorifying it and saying people can't help it, we should be finding out how to prevent it in our children--as many parents do.



Anonymous said...

On here is old Barbed Wire. She is back with her witch's brew.

You go off on Gay Pride celebrations, and yet you have not been to one. What would these behaviors be all about. Groups of gays and people of faith and student groups and LGBT allies and advocacy groups — all marching.

She cannot fathom that more and more straight people come to Pride parades and bring their children. Why would parents do that if the parades are so vulgar. Clue: they are not, but our Barb likes any way to attack LGBTs. She ought to go to a Pride celebration. Then she might know what she is talking about.

Well, Barbed Wire, I have seen videos of Mardi Gras all those boob showing heterosexual women and men showing their dicks and butts right back at them. So let's condemn and throw contempt at all heterosexuals. Those heterosexual floats and their vulgar behaviors on display. Let's go and tar all straights with that example.

I have five children. Only one is gay. How do you explain the straight ones, there Barbed Wire? You dish it out and cry like a baby when you get push back on your nonsense.

And we all know why you are a closeted lesbian. You are trying to deny your same-sex attraction. And you repress it. Then you hurl out all your inner demons on the LGBT community. A little remorse and humility and repentance would become you. No one obsesses on LGBTs unless they have a real problem of his or her own that goes unaddressed.

Poor Barb, she does not know or refuses to acknowledge that legalization of marijuana came from a ballot measure. It was not the gay governor who gave the state legal weed. But hey, why not blame the gays even though the vast majority of voters are straight and they voted for legal weed. Poor Barb.

All of what I wrote applies to you. Barb, you are a miserable woman who has no life but in gay bashing. That is why you need to be taken on and challenge, exposing your Bible thumping and junk science and your witch's brew of crack pot theories that you cooks up to justify you r hateful and bigoted attacks on gays.

Then she goes on a tear about gay sex, without taking on all the heterosexuals who are doing the very same things and are in greater numbers and numbers that are growing. She has no luck in her anti-sodomy and oral sex campaign against heterosexuals so she projects it all onto gays. Of course, she has no sex life, sex only four times in her life. And somehow is an expert in sex ed and youth formation. What a joke.

Anonymous said...


Old bag Barb said that gays are a threat to cities and yet she got called out on how that is not true, And in fact, gays have contributed the revitalization of inner cities, breathing new life into them.

And then a highly visible gay mayor has a major role in helping his city out, and she has a hard time acknowledging that. He even got re-elected by an 80 percent majority of the vote. Oh those terrible gays and what they do to cities.

And she still thinks that the reason that more children and youth get molested by men is somehow a gay thing. Those charged do not necessarily have a gay identity. They are screwed up on their sexuality as the US Catholic bishops have show with respect to priests. It's not gay priests who are the predators, and that is the same for sexual predators in the general population.

There is no credible evidence to suggest that gay men are any more likely than heterosexuals to molest children or youth. Yet she wants to tar gays a going more likely to predators. She lies without any remorse or guilt.

She gets her crap from virulently anti-gay organizations that are in the professional business of vilifying LGBTs. Barb is a mess.

The truth is this: "The empirical research does not show that gay or bisexual men are any more likely than heterosexual men to molest children. This is not to argue that homosexual and bisexual men never molest children. But there is no scientific basis for asserting that they are more likely than heterosexual men to do so. And, as explained above, many child molesters cannot be characterized as having an adult sexual orientation at all; they are fixated on children."

https://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html


Old bag Barb is a post-modern Anita Bryant, alleging that gays are a threat to children. She thinks the gays are out there recruiting youth into a non-existent "lifestyle" by molesting them. Her bigotry and hatefulness know no bounds,

Anonymous said...

From the research that I have posted:

Overview: We identified 79 scholarly studies that met our criteria for adding to knowledge about the well-being of children with gay or lesbian parents. Of those studies, 75 concluded that children of gay or lesbian parents fare no worse than other children. While many of the sample sizes were small, and some studies lacked a control group, researchers regard such studies as providing the best available knowledge about child adjustment, and do not view large, representative samples as essential. We identified four studies concluding that children of gay or lesbian parents face added disadvantages. Since all four took their samples from children who endured family break-ups, a cohort known to face added risks, these studies have been criticized by many scholars as unreliable assessments of the well-being of LGB-headed households. Taken together, this research forms an overwhelming scholarly consensus, based on over three decades of peer-reviewed research, that having a gay or lesbian parent does not harm children.

Evaluating Studies that Conclude Gay Parenting Raises Risks: With regard to the four outlier studies, all share the same flaw. At most a handful of the children who were studied were actually raised by same-sex parents; the rest came from families in which opposite-sex parents raised their children for a period of time, but in which, often, one or more parent(s) subsequently came out as gay or lesbian and left the family or had a same-sex relationship. The result was a family that endured added stress and often disruption or family breakup. Including such children among those labeled as having been “raised by same-sex parents” is so misleading as to be inaccurate, since these children were generally raised by opposite-sex families and only later, after a family disruption, did they live in households with one or more gay parent(s), and only rarely did two parents of the same sex, in a stable, long-term relationship, actually raise the children together. Authors of these outlier studies argue that, nevertheless, such configurations often represent families with gay or lesbian parents, and hence it is reasonable to count them as indicators of what happens when children live with one or more gay parent(s).

Anonymous said...

contd.

Evaluating Studies that Find No Differences Resulting from Having a Gay Parent: Some critics of the LGB parenting research object to the small, non-random sampling methods known as “convenience sampling” that researchers in the field often use to gather their data. Yet within the field, convenience sampling is not considered a methodological flaw, but simply a limitation to generalizability. Within sociology and especially psychology, small, qualitative and longitudinal studies are considered to have certain advantages over probability studies: Such data can allow investigators to notice and analyze subtleties and texture in child development over time that large, statistical studies often miss. It is important to note, moreover, that some of the research that finds no differences among children with same-sex parents does use large, representative data. A 2010 study by Stanford researcher Michael Rosenfeld used census data to examine the school advancement of 3,500 children with same-sex parents, finding no significant differences between households headed by same-sex and opposite-sex parents when controlling for family background. Another study drew on nationally representative, longitudinal data using a sampling pool of over 20,000 children, of which 158 lived in a same-sex parent household. Controlling for family disruptions, those children showed no significant differences from their peers in school outcomes.

Click here for a printer-friendly PDF of this overview report.

Below are 75 studies concluding that children of gay or lesbian parents fare no worse than other children. Click here to jump to the 4 studies concluding that children of gay or lesbian parents face added disadvantages.

Anonymous said...

So there you go, Barb. You are busted: Exposed for the fraud that you are.

Anonymous said...

The bottom line is Barb:

You cannot justify your views on gays. They are based on mis-directed Bible thumping, junk science and bigotry. More and more of the public sees through you rightist propaganda, which has been bebunked and refuted over and over by all the credible research and people of faith. The truth of the goodness of LGBT lives is manifested for all who are not blinded to see.

You are a fraud who must be exposed for what you are — a big fat liar.

Barb said...

There you go again. Claiming you've proved something. I'm not interested in "school outcomes" of the kids of gay and lesbian parents trying hard to parent well. I'm sure they get the teeth brushed and the homework done and the clothes are clean. The ones surveyed are consciously trying to make a good impression for their cause. I'm interested in the adult outcomes of those kids in sexuality identification and ability to marry with the opposite sex and stay married and straight. And then you say, "controlling for family disruptions, those children showed no differences...." Family disruptions?

"While many of the sample sizes were small, and some studies lacked a control group, researchers regard such studies as providing the best available knowledge about child adjustment, and do not view large, representative samples as essential." AND DO NOT CONSIDER LARGE REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLES ESSENTIAL? WELL WELL. Of course not. Just select from the collegiate elite gay and lesbian couples who know they are representing their cause. And they'll try to be functional --at least until the kids are adults --and then lets see what happens.

Bottom line: you can't dignify oral and anal penetration of one's spouse --male or female, straight or gay. You tell me about straights doing these activities. I already brought that up. I already told you that there was an increase --3-fold actually--of HPV cancers in men who practice sodomy --and an increase in women, too because of the growing number of men inflicting this on women --it's abuse. Women are being duped into thinking this is normal sex for women to be good lovers. And gay men are still the leading recipients of all STD's --80%. i.e. men who have sex with men--some of whom are bisexual --equal opportunity abusers.





Barb said...

About the parades. I know families take their kids to the PRIDE parades. Most people I know --who comment on this fact --are horrified --to think they'd expose the kids to drag queens --and men smooching each other --half-dressed --they used to mock nuns. If they've cleaned up their acts, fine, but there is plenty of video evidence to suggest kids should not be exposed to vulgarity on parade.

Anonymous said...

Oh, Barbed Wire:

You missed this one:


"2010 study by Stanford researcher Michael Rosenfeld used census data to examine the school advancement of 3,500 children with same-sex parents, finding no significant differences between households headed by same-sex and opposite-sex parents when controlling for family background.

"Another study drew on nationally representative, longitudinal data using a sampling pool of over 20,000 children, of which 158 lived in a same-sex parent household. Controlling for family disruptions, those children showed no significant differences from their peers in school outcomes."

Longitudinal studies good enough for you?


Large enough sample for you, Barbed Wire. Family disruptions mean divorce, break ups that sort of thing. You do realize that these large samples include both same-sex households and opposite-sex households.


Those in the studies are not selected for their ability to advocate their cause. Only one study focused on "school outcomes." The rest are much broader.


In all, "this research forms an overwhelming scholarly consensus, based on over three decades of peer-reviewed research, that having a gay or lesbian parent does not harm children."

Of course you are looking for what you want in the studies. Anything that gives credence to your bullshit and bible thumping.

Here you have 75 scientifically credible studies that disprove your nonsense, ones that you cannot dismiss.

In case you missed it. LGBTs have been parenting children for decades. There are no known adverse effects on them well into adulthood. Believe me, if there were adverse effects, your side would be all over them.

The goal of parenting is not produce a heterosexual fertility cult like you wish to mandate and impose. The vast majority turn out straight and some are LGBT. Children grow up and chose their careers, their partners — if they choose to — and decide to have children if they wish to. Life goes on.

We know a few of our sons' friends who were raised by gay moms and gay dads. Sorry to disappoint you, but they are all straight. They are married and raising children and say their parents were wonderful to them. And they vigorously defend their parents from rabid homophobes like you.

With respect to STDs: The issue is promiscuity not their sexuality. There are a variety of factors that lead to that including, experiences of stigma – verbal harassment, discrimination, or physical assault based on attraction to men – are associated with increased sexual risk behavior among men who have sex with men.

You see your efforts to stigmatize — which is what you are doing — and efforts to discriminate against and denigrate gay men in particular may well lead to such promiscuity.

There are support groups too for LGBTs who were stigmatized by their religious traditions so much so that in some cases children were throw out of their homes, left homeless by Bible thumping families and their faith communities. There on the streets some survived by same-sex prostitution. So you better take stock of the damage your Bible thumping cohorts are up to. Fortunately, the guys I got to know were able to overcome such abuse and found faith communities that fully welcomed them. There are more and more welcoming and inclusive worshiping communities.

I have met a few gay men who told me about their abuse by religion like yours. Some tried conversion therapy and reparative therapy, which really did a number on them.
They were able to get help and were able to overcome their hardships.

In all, a comprehensive review in Medical Journal of Australia concludes the main threat to same-sex parented children is discrimination.

Get that Barb — the kind of discrimination that you would like to impose.

Anonymous said...

Poor Barb,

The drag queens really get to you, do they not.

And men with their shirts off. Horrors of horrors.

OMG — two men kissing. The end of the world.

Do "most people you know" go into a horror fit over the videos of Mardi Gras with all the boob and dick and ass showing? Do they indict all of heterosexuality for that behavior? Do you?

There is plenty of evidence to suggest kids — or adults for that matter — should not be exposed to such HETEROSEXUAL vulgarity on parade.

Anonymous said...

As for the nuns — This Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. You do realize that the troupe raises tens of thousands of dollars for charities? I hope.

Anonymous said...

And as for the rise is your favorite topic sodomy, what are you doing to stop all the straight men from getting women into this?
There its a cause for you.

Let us know the next time you have sex! If ever......... LOL

Barb said...

I say the same things about sodomy for straights as for gays --and you'd know that if you bothered to read my comments instead of assuming you know what I would write without bothering to read it. Or maybe you are getting senile and don't remember what you read? or can't understand --because you are always claiming positions for me that aren't mine.

I appreciate godly nuns and priests, Catholic Charities and their position on adoptions and abortion --but celibacy isn't prevalent among the priests who were attracted to the priesthood for their disordered sexual interests. which explains the cover-up by their superiors --like Francis --whose orientation is also suspect given his reluctance to discipline the perps. Of course, the priests emphasize procreation for the laity--they need a lot of Catholics to fund their comforts and retirements.

Absolutely agree about Mardi Gras displays --kids should not be exposed to women baring their chests for beads --and whatever sexual debauchery is on parade. I understand the drag queens are in their glory --it's not just heterosexuals --it's a favorite event for those of disordered sexual proclivities --perverts and the drunken and promiscuous of all sorts.

In one gay pride parade with kids present, the lead marcher wore a translucent, plastic get-up. The newspaper mentioned this without comment. What's the message there? What's the abiding cultural value on parade? Diversity of clothing --or lack of it?

I don't approve ANY ridicule, labeling, and bullying (such as you demonstrate toward me) --about one's parents --about one's claimed sexuality. Kindness, however, does not mean that we need to promote the perverse as normal or desirable in our sex education, in our studies of any kind. We ought not be indulging and thus encouraging trans-gender or homosexual ideation among immature youth (all youth by definition being immature.) Some day, any kids who were indulged in hormones, puberty blockers and surgeries WILL turn around and blame and sue their parents and docs and gov't for sterilizing and mutilating their healthy bodies before they were old enough to know better or to know what relationships, identity and life choices they might prefer as adults.

Barb said...

You keep referring to "school outcomes" and cite studies which measure outcomes with consideration of "family background" or "disruptions like divorce." ETC. Let's see how their kids fare in all ways as adults --can they be monogamous? Time will tell.

I'm glad if their adopted children can identify as heterosexuals, avoid harmful "sex-perimentation" and promiscuity in youth with parents who will not, by example or chaperonage, direct them into heterosexual identity and moral chastity. But the samples are still small and selected --and for sure, there is plenty of immorality among heterosexuals --and their kids CAN fare worse than desired in school AND adult outcomes, etc. if their parents are promiscuous, neglectful, on drugs and overall dysfunctional, "out to lunch" as parents.

I recall reading about a daughter with lesbian mothers who was embarrassed by the wallpaper in their bathroom when friends came over --nudes on the wallpaper. Later, I saw that in the one Modern Family episode I saw --the gay dads had a mural of themselves as half dressed cherubs in their baby's bedroom. Who does that?? Those fixated on their sexuality and flaunting it continually --making an issue of it before their children who should be learning that God made them male and female for His purpose of becoming husbands with wives --so they can someday be "mommies and daddies" --the kings and queens of their households raising princes and princesses --under the blessing of their Creator and His design plan for their bodies.

But if you have a temperamental, foul-mouthed, impatient, angry father --how much damage can be done to a bright, talented, sensitive, less macho-oriented kid --who finds more comfort and identity in the gay drama group at school --than with his emotionally abusive dad --and other bullies labeling him gay for his sensitive and/ or flamboyant nature. I recall the one wealthy friend of my kids whose father seemed austere and remote --he had a gay uncle --and his mother and grandmother drew the boy into their interests in jewelry and antiques. He played the king in a drama and was weirdly preening with his jewelry from Grandma --he was cultivated to have a gay self-image --though not intentionally, I'm sure. He did have a crush on a guy --as well as one on my daughter who wasn't attracted to him --and she noticed the crush on the guy --I noticed it, too --on another guy. And I'm sure the lack of male bonding with his father was a factor --and maybe uncle's influence. It didn't help that my daughter didn't return his budding, tentative, brief romantic interest. AT last report, this young man's mother said he had been engaged--to a woman --after thinking he was homosexual for many years --though we never heard that he was partnered. I went to one of his shows and he greeted me affectionately with an embrace afterward --and I could honestly say we missed and loved him --as we do --gay or straight.

One author said of homosexuality that envy and admiration of a secure, macho, same-sex, charismatic, popular friend (idolatry --worship of creature) can effect a gay self-image --the feeling that "I am different." Yet, same-sex admiration with envy and emotional "crush" (or just a desire for best friend status) is within the realm of normal child and adolescent experience. But self-image of adolescents is malleable, vulnerable, and now we are PUSHING LGT identities for these bright, talented, sensitive individuals --with parents, counselors and teachers helping to label them.

Barb said...

BTW, my other daughter was in a community theater production--and they had cast parties with hot tub at a home --and the other girls told my daughter to avoid going to the hot tub where all the gay guys were sitting in the nude. These guys attracted the girls --and would give out bisexual signals --and some got involved with girls --but were known to swing both ways --predominantly gay.

I would warn any young people against pre-marital sex of any kind --for the STD's occur to both gay and straight --but the MSM are getting the 80% of diseases currently. I know that abstinence until the wedding is uncommon --unrealistic in the secular culture, for sure --However, I know people who waited. I told my kids if they couldn't wait to come to us --and we'd schedule the wedding. So my eldest said, "It's time!" And their lives have been extremely productive in Christian youth and music ministry together --and in his CFO/CPA career. Abstinence until committed relationship that culminates in marriage is possible and worthy of our support and chaperonage--regardless of sexuality. Christian (and even secular) Colleges used to have dorm curfews, no co-ed rooming or rest rooms, and signing out if you went off campus past curfew or on weekends. No cars for freshmen. The R.A. checked to see if you were in your dorm at night. And you knew they could check with your parents --which was a deterrent to heading for a motel on the weekend --not that I or my friends considered that in a Christian college --we had a code of conduct we signed when we applied and there was a standard of Biblical behavior to which we all aspired - -nor did kids have the money they spend today. I don't think we had credit cards yet.

Wherever you erect barriers --that's where the young bucks push back. So off-campus dancing was the rule-breaking my roomie's boyfriend /husband did --along with the campus pranks --like carrying a prof's Volkswagen to the top of the ad building --somehow --in one college.

A psych in my husband's med. training said fathers DID need to provide rules and structure for their sons --and said the young bucks typically protest and work out their own antlers this way--and if they didn't get structure from their fathers, they'd buck school authorities --and if the school authorities couldn't control them, they would buck the law --the police --with criminality --as with gangs.Yes I know --"Family disruptions mean divorce, break ups that sort of thing. You do realize that these large samples include both same-sex households and opposite-sex households."

Family disruptions are hard on kids emotionally, financially, and in school and adult outcomes. SO THE RESEARCH QUESTION SHOULD BE --"DO HOMOSEXUAL COUPLES HAVE FEWER --OR THE SAME PERCENTAGE OF 'DISRUPTIONS' --AS STRAIGHT COUPLES?" So I googled and found this from Psychology Today 2017

"Overall, same-sex couples reported shorter relationship lengths than different-sex couples (Joyner et al., 2017). And male same-sex couples experienced significantly higher rates of dissolution than female couples or different-sex couples."

So the children of gay couples are more likely to have "disruptions" which affect them adversely. And the article acknowledged that society's approval and lack of discrimination were less causative of disruptions today than previously.

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Barb said...

"You hate me for speaking the truth --which you call a lie and fraudulent. Just as St. Paul said --homosexuals --and those who condone what they do --have "exchanged the truth about God --[and about our sexuality] --for a lie."

If I were you, I would join the People of the Way --the Bible -believers --in prayer that our society will see the light --before our nation goes the way of Sodom and Gomorrah. --California was just a prelude. Pray that "every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord." He did not come to take away the moral laws of God rooted in our creation design when it comes to sexuality --there is no proof of the blaspheming revisionist churches and secularists who speculate that Christ, John, David and Jonathan, and Paul were homosexuals. and say, "Hath God said....?" Yes, God hath said.

We have not created ourselves. WE owe our lives to Him --and we need to ask Him if His word on this subject is still true --and in fact --given all the instability of gay partnerships, STD's to which they are especially prone, and the impossibility of their procreation with each other --the USA needs to re-evaluate their promotion of sin --both heterosexual and homosexual, financial, political dishonesty, abuse of others in all ways.

I don't know what we can do about the influx of Muslims Obama brought in --and the influx of poverty stricken non-English speaking Latinos for us to support --which he encouraged. Muslims' birth rate (my husband heard --I haven't checked it) is 8 to 1 mother. We heard that young girls were disappearing from their public schools in Detroit area --to be secreted away for under-age marriage. WE know that MD's were arrested for doing the FGM on the girls in Michigan. Just what we need --middle east strife amongst sunnis and Shiites --and against the infidels --a religion that breeds too many angry abusive polygamists and child brides and has spawned ISIS and AL Qaeda. Their scriptures and radical imams and mullahs --have caused one mosque to split near us --between those who are freedom and peace loving who would like to bring their religion and culture into the 21st c. --and those with an agenda to institute a fundamentalist Islamic caliphate in the world.

And you democrats --favor this immigration --and would frustrate Christian evangelism --further the gaying of America with its child-free sex. Prophecy is being fulfilled before our eyes --with all eyes of the world focused on Israel --site of Armageddon's last battle.

"Better get ready."

Barb said...

Pardon the repeats above --I had posts too long --cut and pasted to shorten and ended up with a bunch of duplicates --and I give up --trying to straighten them out.

Barb said...

As for religion oppressing homosexuals --God is the one who hates their way of having orgasms with each other. My husband said to tell you that normal men find the very thought of sodomy revolting --disgusting --not appealing in the least. We are "socialized" to think excrement and urine smelly, unappealing to taste buds --which they are --and we don't want our hands or bodies or mouths in it normally. Something is wrong when we do. He said to tell you that he saw and heard enough in the inner city ER's during internship --about homosexuals coming in --having introduced fruits, veggies, gerbils --and in one case a lightbulb into their rectums. (Upon hearing about this, our minister's wife said, "What was he looking for?" Indeed!) He said he had seen gays with terrible cases of HIV, of course, genital warts, anal incontinence, and severe painful prostatitis --from their chosen activities.

With LGBT identities and related problems, we now are trying to put lipstick on a pig --and it cannot be done.

Anonymous said...

Oh our Barbed Wire is back on her high horse.

She tries to put lipstick on her hate and Bible and bullshit.

She is still promoting her heterosexual fertility cult.

She has evidence from 75 studies that show children of same-sex couples do just as well as kids of opposite-sex couples. And she cannot stand it that the studies lay her nonsense to rest. She just cannot stand it that my sons' kids will be just fine.

As if I would take any cue from your husband on matters of sexuality. He is getting no sex from you. Now she thinks gay people have sex with pee and poop. And she thinks gay people are pooping all the time.

Poor Bared Wire,she has to bring her husband into the conversation. She cannot fight her own battles.

The more likely case is that she is constipated with a whole colon full of her own crap.

Now she is on a tear about Muslims. She hates anyone who cannot into her Christian crusade.

And now she is Catholic bashing. She is just looking for allies in her crusade to persecute gay people -- looking in all the wrong places. And she thinks the predators are gay priests when she damn well knows that they are not, that they are mixed up in their sexual orientation. She is just going to make Catholics see what a bigot she is.

Get this: Old Bag Barb is also attacking the pope and suggests he might be gay. This coming from our closeted lesbian, who has not had sex since getting pregnant with her last child.

It must drive her crazy that Ireland now has a gay prime minister. I cannot wait to see what she blames him for. The prime minister also has a boyfriend. They met Vice President Pence. I'd love to see Old Bag Barb met a gay couple.

At least she is not attacking any gay elected officials in the US anymore. Pete Buttigieg is pretty hard for her to attack. We will just have to wait on that one.

She needs to get out and meet gay couples and their children. Then her heart just might open up. It would get her away from all her pity and pathology types.

And she goes after the Democrats when her own porn star president Trump is the talk of the town. You know the one that comes from the party of family values. The one who grabs women by the pussy. The one who is thrice married and twice divorced, the fornicator and the adulterer. The liar who said he did not about the pay off to Stormy Daniels and even lied that he had sex with her, sex with her, let me remind old bag Barb, when Melania was pregnant with their son.

Old Barb defends a man who is now having every aspect of his political, professional, and personal life investigated. That's Barb hold up the porn star president and his corrupt administration.

Barb holds Trump us as such a role model for her and her children when The Obamas would be much better role models for parenting. When was the last time she ever saw the Trumps in any looking like a happily married couple. It is obvious that she cannot stand, if not detest her husband.

This tells you where her perverted mind is: And it is not as if straight people do not get STDs. Poor Barbe Wire, she was born with a bigoted foot in her wherever.

She still cannot come to terms with all that dick and boob and ass showing at Mardi Gras. So she lashes out at LGBTs. And she fails to mention all the naked straight people at Mardi Gras. Imagine that; so let's say that represents all straight people. I wonder if the straights are peeing and pooping on the streets there.

And now she wants to run colleges and universities as if they are seminaries. Old Bab Barb is such a fun woman.

Anonymous said...

And once again in her anti-Muslim rant, she is wrong.



Did Obama settle 43,000 Somali refugees in Minnesota?

For refugee resettlement figures on Obama’s watch, we turned to an interactive website from the Refugee Processing Center that provides data going back to 2002.

As it turns out, 6,320 refugees from Somalia were resettled in Minnesota between 2009 and 2017, when Obama served as president.

That’s fewer than the number settled in Minnesota during the final seven years of the George W. Bush presidency. From 2002 to 2008, the government resettled 9,858 Somalis in Minnesota.

During the Obama years, 54,514 Somali refugees were resettled nationally, meaning that Minnesota accounted for about 11.5 percent of the national total.

During the Bush years, the national total was 46,439, making Minnesota’s share higher under Bush than it was under Obama, at 21.2 percent.

Anonymous said...

Her Christian evangelism is a bust as more and more people are leaving churches are not going to her evangelical church where no one is really welcome unless they want to be part of a fertility cult.

I wonder what Old Bag Barb is going to do with all of Bush's Muslims. Try to convert them no doubt. No, wait, she will try to say it was all Obama.

And she's on her tear about gays, denying that discrimination has a significant role in the problems that LGBTs have. Typical as she is the one who is promoting discrimination and her religious hate that in any number of cases tells parents to reject their gay kids.

As for gays and religion, religious zealots and nut cases like Old Bag Barb are on the forefront of opposing every single piece of legislation — local, state, and national — that would protect LGBTs from discrimination. She opposes marriage equality and LGBTs serving in the military. If she had it her way, she would reinstate all the sodomy laws and find a way to keep gay people in the closet.

old Bag Barb wonders why and if gay relationships are unstable. If they are, is it any wonder given the societal contempt heaped at LGBTs. It has not been that long since LGBTs had to remain in the closet lest they lose their jobs or homes.

She is a bigot and a hater.

Imagine the nonsense of her thinking that gay people cannot reproduce. I guess she has missed the lesbian baby boom! And gay men are often fathers of children with lesbians.

She has no idea how my sons had their sons. This old bag is clueless.

One wonders what her children were doing in a community theater productions. Why would her daughters be around all this alleged hedonism? I bet old Barb's daughters loved those hot tubs. Maybe her daughter is a lesbian just like her mother.

Old bag Barb lives in a fantasy world where kids dream of "becoming husbands with wives --so they can someday be "mommies and daddies" --the kings and queens of their households raising princes and princesses." Who thinks this is a normal way of thinking? Only in the land of Old Bag Barb.

When she cannot come up a fantasy scenario, she turns to her I read this and I read that. She does not want to read the research studies or listen to the stories of the lives of real life LGBTs. She much prefers to dwell in pity and pathology. That's our Old Bag Barb.

How odd, the Bible I read is all about lifting people up, helping the poor, the disadvantaged, the immigrant, the migrant, those left out and on the margins. All Barb does is put down gays, Muslims and Catholics, priests and even the pope. She is just so full of love, now is she not.

Get this, the old bag thinks the government should be in the business of evangelism. She wants the government to be in the business of addressing sin and evangelizing.

So much for separation of church and state.

Anonymous said...

Now she is bashing California, which is an economic engine that her state no doubt relies upon. I bet Old Bag Barb is one of those welfare dependent states that suck all the money out of the federal government. Old Barb is an equal opportunity offender.

And I am supposed to join one her suggested prayer groups.

Imagine Old Bag Barb on this one: "the USA needs to re-evaluate their promotion of sin --both heterosexual and homosexual, financial, political dishonesty, abuse of others in all ways."

How would Barb put this into action?

I'd be happy to head the task force on Barb Rorhs's bearing false witness against her neighbors, the LGBTs. In this group we will hold all of her lies and false witness, her junk science and Bible thumping and hold her accountable for her sin. Wonder what else she is guilty of: anger, greed, lust, sloth, gluttony, pride, and envy. Let me guess: sloth and gluttony and envy. She envies the goodness of LGBTs. She certainly is slothful and I bet she is a fat one, too. We know she has no lust. She has not had sex in decades. And I bet when she did, she never has had an orgasm. She would not want to experience that lest it become addictive. She thinks orgasms are addictive for gay people but somehow not for straights. But how would she know!

Anonymous said...

But of all her madness, my favorite is her "all eyes of the world focused on Israel --site of Armageddon's last battle.

"'Better get ready.'"

Oh, Old Bab Barb the sexless and orgasmless creature that she is.

We are already for your nonsense.

We are giving all your crap right back to you.

We all now see what a fraud and phony you are.

How you go after LGBTs, Catholics, Californians, Muslims — even the pope.

But you cannot see that Jonathan, David, John, Paul, and even Jeusus might well be gay.

She loves her cataracts.

Anonymous said...

What does the scholarly research say about the link between family acceptance and LGBT youth well-being?
IE167-005

Overview: We identified 42 peer-reviewed studies that met our criteria for adding to knowledge about the links between family support and the health and well-being of LGBT youth. Of those, 25 found that accepting behavior by parents toward their children’s sexual orientation or gender identity is linked to the health and well-being of LGBT youth. Another 17 studies found that family support in general (i.e. not necessarily in response to children’s sexual orientation or gender identity) is linked to the health and well-being of LGBT youth. The upshot is that families that engage in rejecting behavior raise the risk of significant harms for their LGBT children. Many studies used convenience samples of several dozen to several hundred subjects, but some studies used population samples and some sampling pools reached nearly 2000. Taken together, the studies on family support show that—whatever their values—families can take specific steps to protect their children against the heightened risks facing LGBT youth. This research review consists of ten findings and links to the supporting scholarship on which they are based. For more information, visit the Family Acceptance Project, a leader in research on family acceptance and LGBT youth. Click here for a printer-friendly PDF of this overview report.

RESEARCH FINDINGS

1. LGBT youth face heightened risks of numerous mental and physical health dangers including depression, suicidality, substance abuse, psychological distress, low self-esteem, HIV/AIDS infection, and others.

2. Research shows that rejecting behaviors by parents can increase these risks, including contributing to far higher levels of suicidal behavior and depression.

3. Family, long thought of as playing a neutral or negative role in LGBT youth well-being, can play a key protective role against these physical and mental health risks. Several studies confirmed the importance of sexuality-specific acceptance (over generalized support), and of parental support over peer support.

4. Among the behaviors that protect against these health risks, according to research by the Family Acceptance Project, are affirming children’s sexual orientation and gender expression, talking with children about their LGBT identity, defending them when experiencing peer victimization, connecting them to an LGBT role model, and welcoming their LGBT peers into the home. Research suggests that the number and quality of accepting behaviors matters to youth well-being.

5. Most families with ambivalent or negative views about sexual minorities still love their children, and believe they are helping them to fit in and thrive by rejecting their sexual orientation and/or gender identities; yet such families have been shown to successfully modify their behavior when they learn how harmful rejecting behavior can be to their children’s mental and physical health.

Anonymous said...


6. Disclosure (coming out) to family is an important part of LGBT youth’s healthy development, and in the long-term can reduce the stress associated with worrying about future rejection; however, research shows that the short-term effects of disclosure can include added stress resulting from social isolation and family conflict, particularly if parents react in rejecting ways.

7. Research shows that LGBT youth are coming out at younger ages than in the past, which can mean longer periods of time when they are in the home and “out,” and hence a greater chance of both family-related stress and the possibility of positive interventions. Family acceptance awareness must often now begin with children, not adolescents.

8. Both LGB and transgender (as well as heterosexual) youth may exhibit gender-nonconforming behavior, which in turn may trigger rejecting behavior by parents whether or not their children have “come out” to them. Research suggests that parents, practitioners and providers should be aware of the possibility that such reactions can cause profound harm to LGBT youth.

9. Family background, including race, class, ethnicity, religion, national and regional origin and other factors, can play a role in shaping how parents and youth respond to LGBT identity. Practitioners and policymakers should be aware of the complex and diverse ways in which different populations may view family, sexuality identity and gender expression.

10. More research is needed on the specific factors that best predict rejecting family behaviors, the factors that contribute to positive family climates, and intervention approaches with records of evidence-based success; however, a great deal is already known about the information and support that families and LGBT youth need, and parents, practitioners and policymakers should act on this knowledge if they wish to minimize the health risks for the LGBT population.
Below are 25 studies that link accepting behavior by parents toward their children’s sexual orientation or gender identity to the health and well-being of LGBT youth. Click here to jump to 17 studies that link general family support to the health and well-being of LGBT youth.

Anonymous said...



Rather than encourage family rejection of their LGBT children, Barb ought to donate to the Family Acceptance Project and educate herself on how to help families accept their LGBT children, thereby reducing harm to them.

https://familyproject.sfsu.edu

There you go, Barb, now tell us what you learned.

Anonymous said...

Just imagine, there Barbed Wire,

Even Republican US Senators have gay sons, namely Rob Portman and his son Will.

I wonder how your half-baked, crack pot theories on how he has a gay son hold up with this family?

Try them out on the Portmans. Why don't you write him a letter and see if his son had "daddy issues" or had a damaged sense of self-identity or self-esteem. Was he abused or did he sexperiment or sexplore? You have got to have some wild-assed explanation for this one, Barbed Wired, the phony Christian and family expert on sex. You know. The one who has not had sex in decades. The one who beats up on LGBTs, Californians, Catholics, Muslims — anyone outside of her "Christian" fertility cult of Trump. That very one. The old lady with nothing better to do than to beat up on others she holds in contempt.

Anonymous said...

Just a part of who he is, Will Portman told his father:

In a column in The Columbus Dispatch announcing his change of view, Mr. Portman wrote of learning from his son Will, then a college freshman, that he is gay. “He said he’d known for some time, and that his sexual orientation wasn’t something he chose; it was simply a part of who he is,” Mr. Portman wrote.

OMG — From the mouth of a Republican father, shooting down Barbed Wires nonsense and bigotry.

I hope you live in Ohio and have to deal with a Republican US Senator who favors same-sex marriage. And his GAY son.

Now go deal with it. And pound sound.

Poor Barb, she can't help it. She was born with a bigoted foot in her mouth.

Anonymous said...

Here you go Barb,

Take it from another father of a gay son.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/03/26/will-portman-gay-coming-out/2020683/

And a Republican too.

Barb said...

You are such a crackpot and liar --U can't comprehend what you read. You should quit lying about my sex life --I haven't said anything about yours.

As for Portman --his Senate days may be numbered after yesterday's vote. Yes, we all knew he had a son who "came out." In your case, you were a hostile father --in his, I dare say, too busy. And I wonder if your sons were youngest sons --babies of the family?

As for Republicans being discriminatory against LGBT's --do you know who Richard Grenell is? He is Trump's "go-to diplomat in Europe" --talked Trump and Haley into pulling us out --and our funding out --from the UN Human Rights Council filled with reps from human rights-abusing nations. Grenell is a graduate of a Christian college, Evangel, and he is also gay. Sometimes appears on FOX. He has been considered for Trump's chief of staff and other high positions under Trump. So get over yourself and your narrative that conservatives are inevitably discriminatory. My successful-in-careers gay relatives also disprove your concern for discrimination.

We Christians can believe Grenell was mistaken in thinking he was "born gay" --and your son, too--without doing what the Iranians have done in executing people for being homosexual. The puzzler is why democrats want unlimited Muslim immigration --except for their joint prejudice against Israel and Christians. But Muslims will lose no love on democrat liberals and LGBT's when they out-populate the rest of us.

It's hateful people like you --who want to force acceptance of sodomy --who therefore cause the most trouble for the LGBT's today. Hateful people who want to promote homosexuality in our schools --who are "in your face" with their pride --when there is no redeeming social value to sodomy itself and no truth to "born that way" no matter how many "sex-perts" think otherwise.

Of course, they CAN make babies through artificial insemination --or through bisexual relations. And lesbians often have kids from their failed marriages, etc. A rather new trend is the gay males wanting children. The sad shame is that they grew up thinking they were "different" in their orientation --because of some deficit in their education --or mis-education and upbringing --some deficient parental bonds --and/or porn, and/ or molesters --and sometimes because of misunderstanding of what's normal in same-sex emotional and possessive friendships/idolatry experienced as children. Many roads to Rome's idolatry and deception --sin. WE all sin --but are not to be PROUD of that which God abominates. His FAMILY design makes for stronger families, and stronger nations. Our "hook-up" culture --gay and straignt -- IS bringing us down. Sodom's fires are in our future.

AS for the poo and pee you mention, guess you don't remember the Mapplethorpe gay art exhibits --featuring "water games" involving urine in one photo --2 urinating in mouths standing at a distance from each other. And I remember when the Red Cross spoke to school boards about AIDS --and listed the activities that the Gay Men's Task Force warned against -- the multiple simultaneous hook-ups in gay bath houses --the "water games" and whipping followed by urinating on the wounds --"fisting" -- and any latex-free sex with each other. Like I said --lipstick on a pig is your attempt in glorifying sodomy.

I've tried to help you see the error of your perspective --both from the Bible and from public health and from common sense. But you choose to remain blind. May you and your son and all the homosexuals someday have a Damascus Road experience --before it's too late. God forgives the repentant --but not those proud in our sins. Jesus' first sermon theme was "Repent --for the Kingdom is nigh!" And so it is. for every soul in every century.

Anonymous said...

OMG —

You have no sex life. That is because you are a closeted lesbian. We all know that. You have not had sex in decades, in fact not since your last child was conceived.

If Republicans and conservatives are not discriminatory to LGBTs, why are there about 150 lawmakers who are part of the LGBT caucus in Congress? And no Republicans? Explain that one.

Portman is not up for re-election in 2020. And now you have no bullshit and Bible explanation for his gay son so you have decided it was because Portman was "too busy."

Where do you get off on making nonsensical judgments about any one?

You come up with more and more crap every day. By your line of reasoning, every child of a lawmaker would be LGBT because their dads were too busy. You do realize that the Portmans have three children and only one gay child. Was he "too busy" for the straight ones, you stupid old bigoted bag of a hag.

You stupid grasping woman, my gay son is the first born! So much for your bullshit theories. His husband is the second born of four. So you just keep grasping for straws. And are refuted every step of the way.

BECAUSE YOU ARE A LIAR WHO BEARS FALSE WITNESS AGAINST HER LGBT NEIGHBORS EVERY DAY..

If I am so hostile, why do I have such good relationships with all my children? Explain that one, you dead head.

As for Muslim immigration, name me one Democrat who favors unlimited Muslim immigration, let alone unlimited immigration of any kind. How do you explain all that Muslim immigration under George W. Bush? Tell me all about the mosque shootings in New Zealand where a right wing nut case on your side too aim at Muslims while they were praying. Must be all that good Christian teaching of yours. So much love.

You keep on clinging to your crap.

No one is promoting sodomy, your favorite topic. You somehow think that gay identity equals sodomy. You are such a stupid and blinded bigoted. As if lesbians are into your sodomy. And yet straight women seem to be liking it more and more. I am sure you will blame gay men for the rise of sodomy among your fertility cult. Go on a tear against all the hetero sodomy. There is far more of that there than within the LGBT community.

Your certain type of "Christians" believe all kinds of nonsensical things. And you even have gays among your own kind and still refuse to accept what they tell you and what the science says.

Grenell also went to Harvard! He also has a long-time partner, so I guess he is doing your dreaded sodomy. Just think: And evangelical Christian with a partner, both doing sodomy. I bet he sexperimented or sexplored in his evangelical Christian college. Imagine: Republican sodomites. And do not forget the Log Cabin Republicans. I bet all kinds of Republican things go on there. Love that Republik conservative party.

If there is no discrimination against LGBTs, then why are states and localities adopting non-discrimination policies? Why is there a push for the Equality Act, an effort to add sexual orientation and gender identity to the federal Civil Rights Act?

There are countless examples of discrimination, harassment, and violence against LGBTs. That is why there are pushes for hate crimes laws and non-discrimination laws. And of course you know about the terrible shooting at the Pulse nightclub where dozens of LGBTs were shot down and killed.

And we have the examples of people being fired from Catholic parishes and schools and other places where they work, where even the children of gay couples are denied admissions.

You see, you bigoted old bag of a hag, it is your kind of religion that provides the fuel for LGBT discrimination. In every battle for gay-rights laws, it is the evangelicals like you who man the ramparts to fight against even basic protections. In every battle there are the nut case right wing groups that fight against LGBT rights.
Your kind loves to discriminate.

That is why people like you need to be exposed for the fraud and phony you are.

Anonymous said...

Especially when you pour out this total truck of bullshit:

"The sad shame is that they grew up thinking they were "different" in their orientation --because of some deficit in their education --or mis-education and upbringing --some deficient parental bonds --and/or porn, and/ or molesters --and sometimes because of misunderstanding of what's normal in same-sex emotional and possessive friendships/idolatry experienced as children."

There is no evidence to support this and yet you cling to this as if you know what you are talking about. And my son's life and the lives of countless other LGBTs demonstrate you ignorance and your deliberate lying, your enslavement to your ideology.

You say the same thing over and over and over as if, if you hear it enough times, you will believe it.

You do know that Mapplethorpe is art. Fear no art. There is no Gay Men's Task Force, you idiot. It sounds like you almost got off on the Mapplethorpe exhibit. Did you go to see it?

You have done no such thing trying to help me see the error of my perspective. You poured out your crap to convince yourself. And as you were exposed for the fraud and phony "Christian' and junk scientist that you are, you dug yourself in deeper and deeper.

You need more than Damascus experience. You need a total conversion of a hardened and bigoted heart and mind.

But I fear you are beyond redemption and any hope.

You are a hopeless mess there, Barbed Wire.

Anonymous said...

And of course, you did not read the science on the terrible effects of parental rejection of their LGBT children that I porovided. That figures. You need your safe space if bigotry and prejudice. Enjoy your pathetic closet, you lesbian.

Anonymous said...

Hey there Barbed Wire,

For all your Muslim bashing, how about those 10,000 Muslims currently serving in the US armed forces!

They are protecting your sorry ass.

Barb said...

BTW --FYI in JAMA today (Mar. 12, 2019) from the CDC:

"Transgender students also reported more illicit drug use and more risky sexual behaviors, including early initiation of sex, use of illicit substances before sex, and having 4 or more partners. they were less likely to use condoms or contraceptives, but were more likely to have been tested for HIV than their cisgender peers."

They were also more likely to report sexual victimization than cisgender peers --forced to have intercourse and experience dating violence.

Currently1.8% of students identified as transgender and 1.6% reported being unsure if they might be transgender. based on 2017 data from the Youth Risk Behavior Survey.

So, the T's of LGBTs are indeed at very high risk in lifestyle --for multiple problems --not to mention what happens to their healthy bodies when the docs and parents agree to mutilate and sterilize them --and let them have hormone injections and puberty blockers. I tell you they are emotionally disturbed young people from the get-go--not born in the wrong body --but likely into a wrong family --that hasn't a clue about how to help kids have normal identity and positive self-image in the bodies which they were given. Libs are nuts --and unintentionally evil to encourage kids in their dysphoria and disorientation --both mental and spiritual illnesses.

Barb said...

Yes, there was a Gay AIDS Task Force --California based --when they discovered HIV/AIDS and schools were writing policies on how to handle fluids (like in the RR) and infected students (like could they play contact sports in which they might bleed contacting eyes or wounds of others) --so the school boards were invited to hear the RED cross presentation on causes of AIDS --and activities that had spread HIV -- and so on. I was on a committee on the topic --so my husband got the articles from the medical library on the subject --and that's where I learned of the HIV traveling from green monkeys in Africa--to Haiti --to US cities via gay tourists --and their own self-reporting of 2 stranger encounters per week --as they searched for this strange and deadly immune deficiency disease.

You are so dishonest yourself (closed to truth) it would seem--you will accuse me of lying --but I'm not. I'm not that creative at fiction!

Barb said...

As for Muslim bashing -- I have Muslim physician acquaintances --my husband left his practice to a Muslims and we go to Muslim physician and his partner was a Muslim. We have been to mosques for social event and in Muslim homes and they in ours. Our church hosted a Muslim group in our banquet hall twice.

NEVERTHELESS, the religion itself, in its most scriptural fidelity --is dangerous to the rest of the world --as are their --what they call --"radicals." Or Islamists. They are dangerous to their moderates -and the Sunnis to the Shiites, and vice versa. And in Iran, you would be tortured and killed and disowned by family if you converted from Islam --or homosexual. Christians haven't beheaded anybody for centuries --and it's likely those were CINOS who did any atrocities. But the most devout Muslims have beheaded people in THIS century--like the 21 Christian men in Libya. They just shot bombs into Israel --or tried. Again. And they killed 42 Christians and burned their churches a couple days ago in Nigeria --just before the 49 Muslims were shot in New Zealand. Where was the news on the Nigerian atrocity? We should be leery of believers in the Islamic scriptures --which do call for death to unbelievers --infidels via Jihad --Holy War. We should not want a growing population to vote us into a caliphate. Democrats are just nutty to kowtow to this religion--teaching the 5 pillars in some schools and other basics of Islamic doctrine --as cultural education--having them wear hijabs to school and bow down on prayer rugs. Which has really happened in some public schools which wouldn't dream of forcing Christian observances in those schools. A little girl I know wanted to read from her Bible for show and tell --in the first grade --real precocious kid --and wanted to say a prayer--and the teacher forbade all of it. (No, she was not my kid.) We know that Muslim kids will be welcome to share from their faith heritage in a graduation speech -whereas Christian kids have been denied to tell how their faith has influenced their lives and their achievements in a valedictory address.

Barb said...

correction-- it was my husband's partner who was a Muslim --not his own Muslim doctor's partner. In fact, our Muslim doc's NP is a devout Christian. And my husband left his practice to a muslim whose Christian P.A. is a devout Christian. They would likely be critical of Christianity as we are of Islam --they like to point out our similarities in their scriptures as well as the differences. But our scriptures did come first --not revisionist as Mohammad's was. Moreover, Mohammad did take a 9 year old bride --and he did conquer many lands --converting by the sword. Not exactly a man of peace.

Barb said...

You ask why states are passing non-discrimination policies. Because there isn't any real objection --nobody is advocating for discrimination against homosexuals despite your claims. So there's no big concern about such policies --except when they are wrongly used to violate the rights of religious groups to have sexual requirements for their students and faculty, church employees and teachers, and the right to refuse to do certain kinds of work contrary to one's Biblical beliefs. And our free speech rights on the subject. So far the rights of the religious and free speech are not being upheld because of the intimidation via lawsuits and evil human rights commissions established --not by majority votes --but by liberals in gov't.

Barb said...

"Why is there a push for the Equality Act, an effort to add sexual orientation and gender identity to the federal Civil Rights Act? if there is no discrimination?"

Why? because the LGBT's are multiplying in number (and not by births but by "conversion.") And they have money --and they are backed by liberals who've lost their minds and decided that LGBT's really are born that way--they aren't --and therefore can't help but prefer anal and oral sex. (which they would never prefer --if they never indulged in it in the first place.) More to be pitied than censured, however, in that they were probably victims before they were initiators.

And because they are pursuing their agenda --the normalizing of LGBT identities for all people --such that there is no longer a stigma to their stinkma. They are, in effect, though they hate the idea, asking us to give them disability status --saying they can't help their inability to be heterosexuals and so they will expect gov't to support their disabilities with money for all their disease remedies and methods of reproduction. Since they are born incapable of avoiding STD's and being married to women.

Barb said...

"You have not had sex in decades, in fact not since your last child was conceived."

I guess you didn't know that my saying I only had sex 4 times for 4 kids was a joke. You bring it up all the time --seriously!

Barb said...

"And we have the examples of people being fired from Catholic parishes and schools and other places where they work, where even the children of gay couples are denied admissions."

yes, so....? I don't disagree that the Catholic priesthood has a majority of homosexuals. A school turning away the homosexuals' children may be trying to be faithful to Catholic doctrine on marriage --knowing that many activists want to get into religious schools to challenge them and threaten suits if their children have to endure church teaching. The homosexuals also want to influence other children and parents. But the schools don't need any more lawsuits. Of course, turning them away may bring lawsuits --but it shouldn't, by the first amendment--religious freedom. Another factor --Catholic schools know that parents choose them because they DON'T want public school secular ed. --they want Catholic ed --even on the topic of sex and marriage. It's probably not nice of gay parents to try to get their kids into schools that will teach that homosexuality is a sin --not nice to their kids to make them suffer controversy for their 2 mommies' activist agenda.

You said in your gentlemanly, Christian way, "You see, you bigoted old bag of a hag, it is your kind of religion that provides the fuel for LGBT discrimination. In every battle for gay-rights laws, it is the evangelicals like you who man the ramparts to fight against even basic protections. In every battle there are the nut case right wing groups that fight against LGBT rights.
Your kind loves to discriminate."

NO, we don't love to discriminate. We love God and His plan for our sexuality --and we know that what the LGBT's are doing to themselves and society and any kids they raise --is self and socially harmful --and contagious. And deprives kids they raise of either mother and father --contrary to what God planned them to have. We'd like you to quit evangelizing for your sodomy --which is so gross and risky to health. We don't like to see youngsters influenced into these identities and behaviors.

THE END.

Anonymous said...

I will have more to say, there Barbed Wire Bag.

But just look at your Trump loving killer.

The man accused of the shootings left behind a lengthy document that outlined his motivations. He proudly stated that he was a 28-year-old Australian white nationalist who hates immigrants and was set off by attacks in Europe that were perpetrated by Muslims. In a single reference, he mentioned the US president.

‘‘Were/are you a supporter of Donald Trump?’’ was one of the questions he posed to himself. His answer: ‘‘As a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose? Sure. As a policy maker and leader? Dear god no.’’

The White House immediately denounced the connection. But the mention from the suspect, who embraced Nazi imagery and voiced support for fascism, nonetheless cast an uncomfortable light on the way that the president has been embraced by some on the far right.

Anonymous said...

You stupid idiot.

There is plenty of discrimination against LGBTs and you know it. That is why there is a push for the Equality Act.

There is and was no Gay AIDS Task Force. There is The National Lesbian and Gay Task Force, based in DC and the NYC-based Gay Men's Health Crisis.

And your disability argument shows what a sick twisted hag you are.

I will be back later to more fully take on your latest madness.

Anonymous said...

Meanwhile, no discrimination. Sure, Barb.


Report Shows Continuing High Levels of Workplace Discrimination, Impacts Productivity and Health

1 in 4 LGBT Employees Report Discrimination in Past 5 Years

1 in 3 Not Out at Work

Media Contacts:

Brad Sears, sears@law.ucla.edu, (310) 794-5279
Christy Mallory, mallory@law.ucla.edu, (310) 794-9469
Ilan Meyer, meyer@law.ucla.edu, (310) 825-9932

LOS ANGELES- July 26, 2011- Today, the Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law released a report summarizing academic studies and other documented evidence of employment discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity, and the negative impact such discrimination has on LGBT people. This report shows that LGBT people continue to frequently report discrimination and harassment in the workplace.

The report finds that evidence of employment discrimination against LGBT people has been consistently documented over the past forty years in both the private and public sectors. In particular, it focuses on studies that have been conducted since 2005 and presents new data documenting discrimination from the 2008 General Social Survey (GSS), a national probability survey representative of the U.S. population.

Results from the 2008 GSS provide recent evidence of discrimination from one of very few national probability surveys that have collected data about sexual orientation and workplace discrimination. Among LGB respondents to the survey, 42% had experienced employment discrimination at some point in their lives, and 27% had experienced employment discrimination just during the five-year period prior to the survey.

GSS data further show that employment discrimination is more common among LGB employees who are open about their sexual orientation in the workplace than among those who are not—38% of employees who are out in the workplace had experienced discrimination in the five year period prior to the survey, compared with 10% of those who are not out.

“This new data shows that it’s still risky to come out about being LGBT in the workplace, “ says study co-author Christy Mallory, Legal Fellow. “Therefore, it’s not surprising that the GSS data also show that one-third of LGB employees are not open about their sexual orientation to anyone in the workplace.”

These results are consistent with findings from other recent studies that reveal a continuing pattern of employment discrimination against LGBT people. In several studies from 2010 and 2011, that report data on transgender people separately, the rates of discrimination are even higher.

“Recent studies show that pervasiveness of discrimination against transgender people in hiring proves have a devastating impact,” says Williams Institute Executive Director Brad Sears. “The devastating results of this discrimination are confirmed by the high rates of poverty and unemployment documented by surveys of the transgender community.”

Not only does research document the pervasiveness of sexual orientation and gender identity discrimination, but also the negative impacts of discrimination on LGBT people. Because of discrimination, and fear of discrimination, many LGBT employees hide their identities, are paid less and have fewer employment opportunities than non-LGBT employees.

“Research shows that LGBT employees who have experienced employment discrimination, or fear discrimination, have higher levels of psychological distress and health-related problems, less job satisfaction and higher rates of absenteeism, and are more likely to contemplate quitting than LGBT employees who have not experienced or do not fear discrimination,” says Ilan Meyer, Williams Senior Scholar of Public Policy. “In contrast, supervisor, coworker, and organizational support for LGB employees was found to have a positive impact on employees in terms of job satisfaction, life satisfaction, and outness at work.”

Barb said...

Yes UCLA --in California, "the Land of Fruits and Nuts," "proves" that LGBT's experience discrimination. Well, guess what --so do Jews and Christians and yes, Muslims --fat people, ugly people, disabled, learning disabled, and "odd" people --experienced discrimination --by people who simply do NOT know how to be kind to people different from them who do not agree with them. Sin abounds and you don't get rid of it by legislation or punishment. Kindness and friendliness to all should be encouraged --but AGREEMENT should not be required for TOLERANCE.

YES, I agree --that LGBT's DO experience "discrimination" by people who do not want a transgender to be the teacher or the story reader in the kdgtn. --or the drag queen as "hostess" in their family-friendly restaurant because many parent-customers don't want their kids to think gender is change-able --an option --to consider if they might in fact be "born into the wrong body." Parents have a right to not BELIEVE the lie that LGBT conditions are "in --born" like disabilities or race. They have a right to not want their daughter assigned to a dorm room or rest rooms with either a male --or a transfemale with or without a penis. Or a lesbian. They have a right to their religious convictions about the kind of art work they will or won't do to make their living. Believe me, the Muslims will want the same rights observed for their kids re: gender. Big mistake Libs have made bringing in fast-multiplying hoardes of Muslims with their scriptural beliefs and Sharia laws.

LGBT's want to PUNISH (and do hate) all who disagree that their condition is in-born, un-changeable and positive for their personal emotional and physical health--if we could just get everyone to AGREE with them and disagree with the God of Creation in the Bible and the public health data. If they can just get ahold of our children with their "in-your-face" pride and propaganda in media and schools. If they can just help the atheists debunk the Bible.

Barb said...

It's ridiculous that Trump is blamed for any white supremacists. He's not calling for discrimination against non-white people. That's just balderdash --and hypocrisy from the LEFT. You think people around the world are blank tablets --who become prejudiced and hateful according to whatever president America has? This shooter didn't like the swarming immigration seen around the world by Muslims that started at least under obama --probably having seen the beheadings, live burnings, stonings of people by the "convert by the sword" Muslims --the radicals --the Islamists. There is reason to fear growth of Islam in democracies like America. But it is NOT a license for mass murder. It is an incentive for evangelicals to get busy evangelizing --while there is yet day --before the night descends on us as Scripture foretells --as is already going on in Muslim countries toward Christians. Thousands of Christians have been murdered this century by Islamists --check with Open Doors and Amnesty Int'l.

The alleged "white supremacist-Nazi" Trump has been good to Israel and tried to restrain her enemies --whereas Obama equipped her enemies and disrespected their leader --a signal to the Muslim world? So anti-Semitism (Nazi sentiments) cannot be laid at Trump's feet (as they have dishonestly been) with his Jewish son-in-law and converted-to-Judaism daughter raising their children in Jewish faith. Both of whom he trusts for advice and entrusts with visibility in his adm.

Anti-Jewish sentiment can be laid at Obama's feet, however. So can anti-Christian, anti-American sentiment be laid at O's feet --with his apology tour to middle easterners who deserve no apologies from America --constantly oppressing their people and warring on their neighbors and different factions of Islam. Trump may be overly kind to believe No Korea's Kim when he says he didn't know about the tortured American student sent home to die --but at least he isn't apologizing for us to the Muslim world as O did. Obama was also quiet to chastise the rioters in Ferguson and Baltimore --because Alinsky-ites like him and Hillary, fans of Rules for Radicals, believe that the unrest of the people can lead to more clamor for Big Gov't control of the masses --and confiscating of their wealth and autonomy --like what happened in every Communist take-over --where the masses become poorer and the Communist party leaders become richer.

However, concerns are legit about Islamic scriptures, radical Imams and Mullahs whose goal is a Jihadist, theocratic global caliphate for Allah --enacted by majority Muslim rule --Islamic dominance in the population everywhere --FORCED on people by the sword --"convert or die" or at least pay the Jizyah tax and accept 2nd class status." (Like what has happened to the evangelical (Bible-believing Christians) --and CINOS and Jews in any atheistic, secularist, totalitarian state.) We ignore Islamic history and scriptures, Al Qaeda and ISIS philosophical foundations --to our peril. Same with the rise of socialism and this massive immigration of people who will demand our gov't services via higher taxes on the work-producers and workers --until we collapse economically.

The LGBT issue is getting way more attention than deserved --and promotion --when we need kids to grow up heterosexual making families who understand our history and freedoms --and see our need for vigilance against evil ideologies. And our recognition of the God of the Bible, His Truths and His Savior for all. Christ alone is the light in the darkness for Eternity. And He isn't telling us to promote as tolerance what God abominates.

Anonymous said...

The studies are not just about California.

And you continue to attack California and Californians.

No, transgender people should be able to be school teachers and to be story tellers and to be hostesses. As for the others you lay out, there are protections for religion and disabilities. As you know it is against the law to discriminate on the basis of a number of categories.

And yet, more than 111 million people live in states where LGBT people lack clear state-level protections against discrimination in the workplace.

As for New Zealand: In the shooters own words:
"
"Were/are you a supporter of Donald Trump?’’ was one of the questions he posed to himself. His answer: ‘‘As a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose? Sure. As a policy maker and leader? Dear god no."

You do recall that Trump has called for violence against the media and those who disagree with him.

Our nation’s civil rights laws protect people on the basis of race, color, national origin, and in most cases, sex, disability, and religion. But federal law does not provide consistent non-discrimination protections based on sexual orientation or gender identity. The need for these protections is clear—nearly two-thirds of LGBTQ Americans report having experienced discrimination in their personal lives.

There you go Barbed-Wire, nearly two-thirds.

You, of course, read all about it: https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Sears-Mallory-Discrimination-July-20111.pdf

Even you and your Bible thumping is protected. You are able to worship and to pray and to read your Bible.

But LGBTs need to protected from your bringing your crap into secular life to discriminate against them. Your particular brand of religion does not get to determine secular law.

What you do not like is that LGBT and their allies go into the public square and make their cases for non-discrimination and safe schools and environment for LGBT students, and the general public agrees and enacts local and statewide protections.

And the schools have to be made safe for LGBT students because they exist and deserve the same opportunities that non-LGBTs deserve.

And gay parents with children need feel welcome and included in the wider school communities, which you would deny if given the opportunity

You are a sore loser because your arguments hold no water.

I love it that you promote your absurd idea of a Christian fertility cult.

Guess what, Bred Wire, LGBTs have always existed and always will. There is nothing you can do about that.

Only the willfully ignorant still believe that LGBTs choose their sexual orientation and gender identity. You cannot be honest, but the fact is that we do not know the origin of sexual orientation and gender identity.

And yet you push out and defend your crack pot views to explain LGBT identity.

In my case, same father, five children, only one gay. In the case of Rob Portman, three children, one gay.

Your theories do no hold up.

You are a fraud.

Anonymous said...

The nonpartisan Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI) found that nationally, support for a bill like the Equality Act topped 70 percent, which includes a majority of Democrats, Republicans, and Independents. In addition, there is strong business support for non-discrimination protections for LGBTQ people. The legislation has been endorsed by the Business Coalition for the Equality Act, a group of more than 105 major companies with operations in all 50 states, headquarters spanning 24 states, and a collective revenue of $2.8 trillion. In total, these companies employ more than 6.8 million people across the United States.

The Equality Act would amend existing civil rights law—including the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Fair Housing Act, the Equal Credit Opportunity Act, the Jury Selection and Services Act, and several laws regarding employment with the federal government—to explicitly include sexual orientation and gender identity as protected characteristics. The legislation also amends the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to prohibit discrimination in public spaces and services and federally funded programs on the basis of sex.

Additionally, the Equality Act would update the public spaces and services covered in current law to include retail stores, services such as banks and legal services, and transportation services. These important updates would strengthen existing protections for everyone.

Decades of civil rights history show that civil rights laws are effective in decreasing discrimination because they provide strong federal remedies targeted to specific vulnerable groups. By explicitly including sexual orientation and gender identity in these fundamental laws, LGBTQ people will finally be afforded the exact same protections as other covered characteristics under federal law.

Anonymous said...

And if you disobey non-discrimination laws, then you should suffer the consequences.

Anonymous said...

Here go. Now educate yourself on transgender issues:

What does the scholarly research say about the effect of gender transition on transgender well-being?
Trans WellbeingOverview

We conducted a systematic literature review of all peer-reviewed articles published in English between 1991 and June 2017 that assess the effect of gender transition on transgender well-being. We identified 56 studies that consist of primary research on this topic, of which 52 (93%) found that gender transition improves the overall well-being of transgender people, while 4 (7%) report mixed or null findings. We found no studies concluding that gender transition causes overall harm. As an added resource, we separately include 17 additional studies that consist of literature reviews and practitioner guidelines.

Bottom Line

This search found a robust international consensus in the peer-reviewed literature that gender transition, including medical treatments such as hormone therapy and surgeries, improves the overall well-being of transgender individuals. The literature also indicates that greater availability of medical and social support for gender transition contributes to better quality of life for those who identify as transgender.

Below are the 8 findings of our review, and links to the 73 studies on which they are based. Click here to view our methodology. Click here for a printer-friendly one-pager of this research analysis.
Research Findings

1. The scholarly literature makes clear that gender transition is effective in treating gender dysphoria and can significantly improve the well-being of transgender individuals.

2. Among the positive outcomes of gender transition and related medical treatments for transgender individuals are improved quality of life, greater relationship satisfaction, higher self-esteem and confidence, and reductions in anxiety, depression, suicidality, and substance use.

3. The positive impact of gender transition on transgender well-being has grown considerably in recent years, as both surgical techniques and social support have improved.

4. Regrets following gender transition are extremely rare and have become even rarer as both surgical techniques and social support have improved. Pooling data from numerous studies demonstrates a regret rate ranging from .3 percent to 3.8 percent. Regrets are most likely to result from a lack of social support after transition or poor surgical outcomes using older techniques.

5. Factors that are predictive of success in the treatment of gender dysphoria include adequate preparation and mental health support prior to treatment, proper follow-up care from knowledgeable providers, consistent family and social support, and high-quality surgical outcomes (when surgery is involved).

6. Transgender individuals, particularly those who cannot access treatment for gender dysphoria or who encounter unsupportive social environments, are more likely than the general population to experience health challenges such as depression, anxiety, suicidality and minority stress. While gender transition can mitigate these challenges, the health and well-being of transgender people can be harmed by stigmatizing and discriminatory treatment.

7. An inherent limitation in the field of transgender health research is that it is difficult to conduct prospective studies or randomized control trials of treatments for gender dysphoria because of the individualized nature of treatment, the varying and unequal circumstances of population members, the small size of the known transgender population, and the ethical issues involved in withholding an effective treatment from those who need it.

8. Transgender outcomes research is still evolving and has been limited by the historical stigma against conducting research in this field. More research is needed to adequately characterize and address the needs of the transgender population.

Anonymous said...

Barbed Wire:

You do realize that Catholic LGBT parents present their children for baptism and confirmation and are baptized and confirmed.

Most LGBT Catholics who want their children to have a Catholic education, and that why they choose Catholic schools. They are welcomed into parish life, why not the schools?

And you do know that heterosexuals are not put under the microscope like gays are: Those who are divorced, remarried and not anuled and having sex, those who are not married and are living together, those masturbating Catholics — those heterosexuals are not grilled about their sexual activities.

And we all know that Catholics are using contraception, given the numbers of children they have. It is not like Catholics are perfecting the rhythm method.

So if the schools are going to enforce the Church's sexual ethics, their schools would be nearly empty.

Yes, there are gay priests, lots of them apparently. I am told the Catholic priest in our local community here is gay and it is widely known and he is very well-liked by all.

No religious institution — a school — is getting sued for their religious teaching. That fear is utterly unfounded given the First Amendment. Similarly, no clergy member will ever get sued for not marrying a same-sex couple or anyone for that matter.

The local Catholic school here does have a few students with gay parents, with no problems.


Anonymous said...

Barbed Wire,

You are pretty in our face with your activist agenda and hateful Bible thumping.

As you know, too, prayer and Bible reading are permitted in the public schools. What is not permitted, is school sponsored prayer.

And Sharia law does not supersede our secular law, just like canon law and halakah does not do so either.

You really do have a thing about Muslims with all your bashing.

Anonymous said...

NO school sponsored prayer or Bible study is permitted.

Anonymous said...

You do realize too that gay valedictorians are not permitted to give their speeches. And it had nothing to do with what they were going to say, but because of WHO THEY WERE.

Anonymous said...

Every has to agree with the Barbed Wire because she has it all figured out. She has the truth.

But the truth is she has not had sex in decades. And that is no joke.

Barb said...

You cite immense support for more law against discrimination against LGBT's. So where is the discrimination with all that support against it??? We don't have nearly that many organizations fighting discrimination and global genocide against Christians and Jews --though the laws may include "religion" as a protected entity.

It's like the "hate crime" legislation. Murders, assaults, slander, bullying ---are already against the law --regardless of whether hatred motivates the behavior or not. It certainly isn't "love" that motivates people to assault, bully, murder, etc. The punishment should be equally severe --whether the crime is motivated by group hatred/bigotry/racism or any other reason. "Hate crime" is a redundant term --and the penalties shouldn't be any more or less severe just because hatred was involved--since no murder or torment is done to a person because the killer loves him.

However, the LGBT activists want to include all Biblical and public health teaching against sodomy and same -sex relations, marriage and adoption --as "hate speech" and include such speech as "hate crime," resulting in confiscation of bank accounts, lawsuits, chronic harassment of people who don't agree with PC gender ideology.

You yourself have bullied and slandered --while I am just stating facts --whether they are YOUR idea of facts or not. The Bible factually disapproves of sodomy and same sex activities. The health data factually report high risk aspects of these identities. It doesn't matter how many PC resources you pull up to blame the troubles of LGBT's on everything but the lifestyles and diseases themselves --and society's historical disapproval --even from the secular rationale of centuries.

Barb said...

Such a nice guy you are!

The group was California based --it may have disbanded. Sorry to disappoint you, but it was a real group --a real Red Cross presentation to real school boards in my city -all of the county boards around the city actually --who shared a county sup't.

I wish I could agree with you more, Anonymous --but then we'd BOTH be wrong.

Anonymous said...

There is support for non-discrimination laws. And you see the evidence for it, but you will not believe. You have also been shown the evidence of the discrimination, too, which you deny and do not believe. I cannot help you if you do not want to see the evidence. I have even provided the links and info for you.

Here is a way for you to learn about hate crimes law as your ignorance is astounding on all fronts:

http://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/hate_crime_laws

You are so full of it with your nonsense on hate speech. if I could report you to authorities on your hate speech against LGBTs, I would have done it already.

LOL Your whole blog here is bullying of LGBTs. The Bible is not factual on LGBTs and you know it. LGBTs do not have "lifestyles," they have lives, which you refuse to acknowledge. And you love to go after all the alleged diseases that LGBTs have when millions and millions do not and never have had STDs. And yet we have countless examples of the health hazards of people who are fat and obese, who smoke, who do not eat a balanced diet, who do not exercise. The list goes on and on. Where is your campaign against, for example, gluttony and the obese and their "lifestyle?" Or smokers? Or those who drink too much.

This whole blog is one big slander against LGBTs, with your anti-LGBT ideology.

If you want to fight discrimination against Christians and Jews, then do so. Leave LGBTs alone, including my son and his family — and mine.

LOL — your facts are your Bible thumping and junk science.

You have no facts beyond your hateful and bigoted nonsense.

And yes, we do stand in fierce opposition to you and your "Christian" crap. As we already know, you are a phony "Christian."

Thank God you are losing all across the board. Conversion and reparative therapy is being banned in more and more states. Same-sex couples can marry and gays serve in the armed forces. More and more states and localities are adopting non-discrimination laws and policies, as well as hate crimes laws. More and more religious denominations now marry gay couples and welcome them and their children into the flock.

The truth of LGBT and their lives just keeps on winning.

Yours is a losing clause. Just like you, who are a total loser.

Anonymous said...

There was no such group. You are confused. As always.


Anonymous said...

Here's one for you Barbed Wire:

"Transfiguration" by Lewis Bowman
trans·fig·u·ra·tion

a complete change of form or appearance into a more beautiful or spiritual state

Each time we disclose a truth about ourselves, we part a veil. By doing so, we invite others to come into our lives and make contact with us. Parting any veil forces a degree of vulnerability and demands unimaginable trust and faith.

By inviting Peter, John, and James up to the mountain, Jesus extends to them the unexpected privilege to see himself transfigured in all his glorious splendor. So dazzling was this visual feast that Peter’s desire to build three tents - one each for Jesus, Moses, and Elijah, suggests nothing but a longing for God’s revelation to linger and stay.

In the LGBTQ community, “coming-out,” self-revelation or “transfiguration” are part of a lifelong journey of understanding, acknowledging and sharing one’s gender identity and/or sexual orientation. It may be easy for some, or longer and more difficult for others. While many are eternally grateful for the amount of support and empathy they receive from friends and family, some share “coming-out” stories that are heartbreaking and heavy to hear.

By reflecting on the Gospel text of Jesus’ transfiguration allow yourself the time to revisit your own “coming-out” journey, whether as an LGBTQ person or an ally. Revisit the times that others have come out to you. Chances are you may discover God’s hidden graces, blessings and learnings that perhaps eluded you before.

Anonymous said...

28 About eight days after saying this, Jesus took Peter, John and James and went up onto a mountain to pray. 29 As Jesus was praying, the appearance of his face changed, and his clothes became dazzling white. 30 Suddenly two people were there talking with Jesus - Moses and Elijah. 31 They appeared in glorious splendor and spoke of the prophecy that Jesus was about to fulfill in Jerusalem.

32 Peter and the others had already fallen into a deep sleep, but awakening, they saw Jesus’ glory - and the two people who were standing next to him. with him. 33 When the two were leaving Jesus, Peter said, “Rabbi, it is good for us to be here. Let us set up three tents—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.” (Peter didn’t know what he was really saying.)

34 While Peter was speaking, a cloud appeared and covered them, and they were afraid as they entered the cloud. 35 A voice came from the cloud, saying, “This is my Own, my Chosen One. Listen to him.”

36 When the voice had spoken, they saw no one but Jesus standing there. The disciples were silent and did not tell anyone at that time what they had seen.

37 The next day, when they came down from the mountain, a large crowd awaited Jesus. 38 A man in the crowd called out, “Teacher, I beg you to look at my son, for he is my only child. 39 A spirit seizes him and he suddenly screams; it throws him into convulsions so that he foams at the mouth. It scarcely ever leaves him and is destroying him. 40 I begged your disciples to drive it out, but they could not.”

41 “You unbelieving and perverse generation,” Jesus replied, “how long shall I stay with you and put up with you? Bring your child here.”

42 Even while the boy was approaching, the demon dashed the child to the ground and threw him into a violent convulsion. But Jesus rebuked the unclean spirit, healed the child and returned him back to his father. 43 And they were all awestruck at the greatness of God.

Anonymous said...


QUESTIONS FOR REFLECTION

Being created in the image and likeness of God, how has God revealed Godself through you? What has been your safe spaces or “mountain tops” to reveal who you really are and appear in all your God-given glorious splendor? What are some of the responses you have received to your “transfiguration,” revelation or “coming-out?”

Peter, John, and James were awakened to God's beauty. God’s beauty wasn't new, but their seeing it was. Does a Gospel passage like this one allow you to celebrate your true LGBTQ colors even if others have yet to wash away “the scales from their eyes” to “see” and recognize you? (Acts 9:18)

“The disciples were silent, telling nothing of what they had seen.” The transfiguration experience needs neither explanation nor understanding, just presence and silence to process its full wonder. As an LGBTQ person or ally are you able to reveal who you are without explanations and justifications? If so, how have you been able to reach such a mountaintop where you can reveal yourself? If not, what mountains do you feel you still have to climb to get to where you want to be? Does prayer help you on your journey?

Immediately following the story of the transfiguration is a story of disfiguration - the story of the demon-possessed boy. Are there times when you look at yourself, or your life, and don’t like what you see or have become? Do you say things like - “I’m just not myself,” “that’s not me,” or “how did my life get to this point?” In times like these when you feel you have lost the connection with the original beauty of your LGBTQ creation (or perhaps fallen asleep to the beauty within yourself, others, and the world) how do you “awaken” yourself? Have you ever experienced Jesus’ healing and restoration at these times of disfigurement?

Is the Eucharist, with its insistence on the physical body and on community, a sacred space for you? How can you bring others from the LGBTQ community to this liturgical mountaintop to experience Jesus in these ways?

Anonymous said...

Now go work on removing the scales and cataracts on your eyes, both of them.

Barb said...

Incredible --"wicked and perverse generation," He said. And you would take that wonderful scripture --or your church or pastor would --or rather this Lewis Bowman--to call "coming out" as LGBT --"transfiguration??"

That's blasphemy. The evil spirits Jesus cast out --may be what needs to be done to help those who are deluded --dysphoric and disoriented. Your Lewis Bowman is a wolf in sheep's clothing, a false prophet. Don't listen to His distortion of God's Word to justify sodomy --and lust for one's own sex.

You've exchanged the Truth about God --and about His creation --for a lie. You have called evil good, and good, evil. LGBT perspective is Satanic deception --and it will take people to eternal destruction if there is no repentance. We must agree with God about our sin nature --and the nature of sin.

YES, these activities aren't the only sins for which we must repent. "All have sinned and come short of God's glory." But this is just about the only sin we are calling inevitable, immutable, a source of pride, and GOOD --like "transfiguration!" Wow. just wow.

The Good News is: "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sin and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." But you have taken Scripture and twisted it, reinterpreted it, ignored it, and told a lie about God --that He doesn't care if we commit sodomy and mis-use our sex organs contrary to His purpose and plan.

I understand that it IS HARD to understand how people can become dysphoric, and disoriented, and we rightly feel sorry for their confusion and their delusion --and their history leading to addiction to their same sex behaviors and wrong identities --with all the depression, diseases, disability with the opposite sex, self-doubts, misunderstanding of one's gender and God's purpose for it.

Barb said...

No question that God wants us to bring all sinners into the mountaintop experience of "Christ in us, the hope of glory." and we do come to Him 'just as we are." But we cannot come with a rainbow pride banner over our sin and glorify the mis use of our procreative bodies for selfish pleasure instead of the pleasure God intended us to have according to HIS design for sexuality. "It is He who has made us --and not we ourselves." And He didn't make us to be sinners. He wants to redeem us and see us "transformed --by the renewing of our minds."

Bless you, Anonymous. Seek and find while there is still Light and Hope --and LIFE.

Anonymous said...

Barbed and Pathetic Wire,

You have failed to remove the scales and cataracts from your eyes.

You have not done any spiritual reflection.

You continue and dig yourself in deeper and deeper, your sinfulness of bearing false witness against your LGBT brothers and sisters.

It is you who are disoriented in your perverse and wicked thinking. You have been shown the errors of your thinking and yet you persist down and down, deeper and deeper into serious sinfulness.

You reduce LGBTs to what you consider their sexual activity to be when oddly enough you have not had sex in decades. We all know that Barbed Wire.

An old and bitter woman with no sex life and no life has nothing better to do than to pump out her hateful anti-LGBT ideology.
Spewing out the same old discredited junk science and her pity and pathology views even tough she has been debunked over and over again.

You must agree that you bear false witness. Otherwise you will suffer eternal damnation. You worship your anti-LGBT ideology and think it is godly. But is really Satan worship. It is you who worship creatures, the creature of your own making — the hate you harbor for LGBT people.

It is clear that you are not able to have a mountain top experience, incapable of being transfigured out of you evil ways.

You have those demons in full control of your pathology of hate and contempt,

This spiritual exercise has presented you with the opportunity to come out of your lesbian closet and see yourself and the demons that have possessed you in attacking gays people.

Your venom has consumed your life. All you do is vilify gay people, spreading out your utterly unfounded explanations for LGBT identity. You are totally disabled in your ability to stop hating LGBTs. You are a hate addict, who got into this hate-filled lifestyle and cannot free herself from it.

You live the lies that you tell, utterly confused and delusional.

God wants to free you of your views but you refuse to take even the first step.

Ask Jesus to cast out your evil thoughts, words, and deeds.

To make matters worse. You are proud of your behavior and the meanness you spew out. You revel in hate and celebrate it. You need spiritual surgery for your eyes as you are blind to your own evil making.

Poor Barb, she was born with a bigoted foot in her mouth.

Repent Barbed Wire, there is time before Easter.

Anonymous said...

Poor Barbed Wire: She presents her self a pious Christian, giving us her truth.

But she is unmasked as a total fraud. She has been stripped totally naked so we can see her bare unadulterated bigotry and hate for LGBTs.

She loves her heterosexual fertility cult. She thinks the "cure" for homosexuality is heterosexual marriage. This advice we get from a big fat closeted lesbian.

Oh, Barb, she holds Trump up as role model for her fertility cult. That is the thrice married men who committed adultery on all three of them, even doing so on Melania when she was pregnant. She just loves her heterosexual fornicator. She loves the fact that he brags about grabbing women by the pussy.

Her real models ought to Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama.

We all know that dear Barb is a mess. A total unrepentant mess.

I guess we should pray for. But would it really do any good. She is a willful sinner and big time hypocrite.

She needs to tell us when she first became addicted to gay bashing.

Anonymous said...

Here is some more info that Barbed Wire is not going to like;

What causes homosexuality?

Modern social scientists are virtually unanimous in the opinion that homosexuality, like heterosexuality, originates long before puberty, in the earliest experiences of the very young child. They also generally agree that no single factor causes a particular orientation, whether heterosexual or homosexual, but that multiple biological, sociological, and psychological circumstances determine constitutional make-up.

In the eighteenth century, a popular book about Plain Reasons for the Growth of Homosexuality claimed it was caused by the habitual drinking of English tea and the pernicious influence of Italian opera. Some recent explanations, or plain reasons, seem no more enlightened than earlier theories.

Can homosexuality be changed?

Nearly all contemporary experts believe that a genuine homosexual orientation is as irreversible as heterosexual make-up. Indeed, historical studies show that same-sex temperament remains unchanged despite imprisonment, torture, and mutilation; despite electroshocks, lobotomies, and aversion techniques; even despite threats of damnation, charismatic blessings, and long hours of prayer.

Therapists can modify sexual behavior by many different methods, including surrogate heterosexual partners, obviously immoral means. However, they are unable to change affectional feelings, even after years of counseling and great financial strain and possibly unethical treatment. Instead, their persistent attempts to alter same-sex feelings often result solely in the serious distortion of one’s basic character and personality.

Isn’t homosexuality a sickness?

Homosexuality has been called an “affliction of the body” or a “twist of the mind” or a “cancer of the soul.” Yet same-sex orientation if not a disease of vice which can be contracted or spread through association. Nor is it a habit, like smoking, which can be acquired but broken again if the will is strong. Rather it is an existent quality or characteristic, like having red hair or being left-handed, which persons do not choose and cannot change without harmful psychological consequences.

Let's see our Barb go after left-handed people.

I cannot wait to see what she has to say about those deviant left-handed people who chose their "lifestyle."

She probably thinks English tea and opera cause someone to be gay. She has a theory for everything except how she became such a gay hater.

Anonymous said...

Here is some more learning for old hag Babs:

LGBTQ EQUALITY

ON SEXUAL ORIENTATION & GENDER IDENTITY

In 1976, both the House of Deputies and House of Bishops voted for a fully inclusive Episcopal Church, stating, “homosexual persons are children of God who have a full and equal claim with all other persons upon the love, acceptance, and pastoral concern and care of the church.” Canon law includes “gender identity or expression” in its list of persons who are assured full access to the ministry of the church. The law further specifies that administrative forms must include options for both preferred and legal names, and for gender identity and pronoun preference. In an intentional move toward diversity, it adds,

“As transgender people and their families increasingly come out within or find their way to congregations, their specific naming in our Canons . . . will encourage congregations to deepen their understanding and widen their welcome.”

ON MARRIAGE EQUALITY

The Episcopal Church codified theological support for same-sex marriage with two resolutions passed in 2015. The first (A054) formally approved gender-neutral and same-sex marriage ceremonies, while the second (A036) changed the current marriage “canons” to allow clergy to officiate same-sex marriages using either a marriage rite from the Episcopal Book of Common Prayer or a “trial” liturgy.

In 2018, the Episcopal Church’s General Convention approved Resolution B012, expanding marriage rites for same-sex couples to all dioceses. One of the core compromises of B012 was to allow clergy who object to marriage equality on theological grounds to request that another bishop provide pastoral care and oversight for same-sex couples who wish to be married by priests in their home churches. The resolution also makes clear that no clergy member can be forced to preside over any marriage ceremony.

ON NON-DISCRIMINATION

The Episcopal Church supports non-discrimination and has canon laws specifying that everyone has access to the governance of the church and lists “sexual orientation, gender identity and expression” as specifically protected from discrimination. In 2018, the church committed to oppose all legislation that restricts public restroom, locker room and shower access for transgender and gender non-conforming people.

However, the 2018 General Convention also rejected Resolution (A091) that would have added new canonical nondiscrimination language that would extend beyond access to LGBTQ ordination and lay participation in church governance to cover the hiring and appointment of clergy.
ON ORDINATION

In 1994 “sexual orientation” was added to the non-discrimination canons for ordination in the Episcopal Church. In 2009 the Episcopal Church passed a resolution stating that, “God’s call is open to all,” and eradicating discriminatory barriers to the election of bishops. However, the church had already consecrated its first openly gay bishop in 2003.

The Episcopal Church also approved transgender ordination at its 2012 General Convention. Women have been ordained priests and elected bishops in the Episcopal Church since 1974.


Anonymous said...

Old Barb is not going to like what the Episcopal Church has done, but then we Episcopalians do not care what she says except when she pushes her nonsense out onto the rest of us. She thinks her faith and her views are the only "Christian" when there are many who think she is a phony baloney. We have our beliefs. She has her Bible thumping and junk science bullshit. Barb is a bit out of it.

Barb said...

O my --that will surely do in the Episcopalian church some more --drag queen ministers. Responsible parents will LOVE it! I realize, however, it's more likely to be transmales who will aspire to be lesbian ministers with female wives.

JUST AS I SAID --your "SEXPERTS" AGREE that it's not inborn and there is no one road to Rome. That's what I said. Though I'm sure many LGBT's had no idea of this "difference" in their pre-school years --and I'm sure many get lured into the identity in later years of their youth.

"Modern social scientists are virtually unanimous in the opinion that homosexuality, like heterosexuality, originates long before puberty, in the earliest experiences of the very young child. They also generally agree that no single factor causes a particular orientation, whether heterosexual or homosexual, but that multiple biological, sociological, and psychological circumstances determine constitutional make-up."

I can agree with their 2nd statement --but not that all of them are set on this course before school age. Some probably are, especially by mothers looking for it and affirming it and enabling a child's confusion by their "gender neutral" or cross-gender child rearing theories --besides their effeminizing of their sons --who, like you, sometimes have hostile, foul-mouthed, temperamental personalities in fathers toward the mothers and the kids --and some gentle-natured kids, especially, can overly identify with their mothers in such cases. But there ARE multiple factors that can give a child confusion and doubts of his normalcy as a male or female with normal attractions.

But attraction still doesn't explain sodomy. Sodomy is about "getting off" --and like the biblical "forbidden fruit," it seems the more contrary to God's will it is, the more filthy, the more alluring --especially once they experience it. The Tempter is like that.

I wonder if you also approve of prostitution as a "right?" and abortion? I'm thinking you don't acknowledge any sins that are sexual --or related to sex (like abortion.)

Ad Hominem attacks: the debate device of the Left. That and lying --and fake, speculative "research" with conclusions that are not hard science --not proven.





Barb said...

"An interesting moment came at a press conference on Saturday,” reports convention attendee David Virtue, “when I asked Bonnie Anderson, president of the House of Deputies, if she saw the irony in that the House of Deputies would like to see the Church Center at 815 2nd Avenue in New York sold (it has a $37.5 million mortgage debt and needs $8.5 million to maintain yearly) while at the same time the national church spent $18 million litigating for properties, many of which will lie fallow at the end of the day.”
Read more at https://www.beliefnet.com/faiths/home-page-news-and-views/why-is-the-episcopal-church-near-collapse.aspx#88K53DXfB4I7112S.99

Episcopalians continue a multi-year decline in both membership and attendance in 2017.

"A loss of 13,709 attendees to a total of 556,744 resulted in a 2.4% decline in average Sunday attendance (ASA), despite occurring in a year when Christmas Eve occurred on a Sunday, which typically boosts attendance figures. The church’s 10 year decline in attendance currently stands at 24%. The mean ASA is 55 persons, down from 57 in 2016.

"Membership experienced a more gradual drop, down 32,593 (1.9%) to 1,712,563 baptized members in U.S. domestic dioceses

"The tiny Diocese of Northern Michigan – known for selecting a Zen Buddhist bishop-elect in 2009 whose election was denied necessary consent by the wider church – continues to be among the hardest-hit, experiencing a 12.7% decline in ASA, now down to 411 persons. The rump Episcopal Diocese of Quincy was prompted to juncture into the neighboring Diocese of Chicago when it reached approximately 380 attendees.

There are many reasons why churches close --but the biggest one is ministers and headquarters leaders who don't believe the Bible to be the Word of God --and start to "reinterpret" and revise the traditional understandings. Liberals. Elites. Average attendance in the 50's?? That IS small! MEGA churches are usually biblical --or they start to lose, also.

Barb said...

I believe the following refers mostly to the dioceses that broke away from the headquarters "renewing dioceses." Then it talks about "progressives" losing attendance and members -- --and I don't know which kind of Episcopal church is referred to in the last paragraph showing growth.

“Renewing dioceses” attempting to rebuild after their leaders and majority of congregants voted to depart the Episcopal Church continue to be a mixed bag: the Episcopal Church in South Carolina reports a 3.6% gain in membership and a 1.2% decline in attendance, while the Episcopal Diocese of San Joaquin suffered a 5.3% drop in members and 6.9% drop in attendance to 810. The Episcopal Diocese of Fort Worth declined 0.5% in members and 5.1% in attendance, while Pittsburgh lost 4% of members but inched up 1.3% in attendance.

Some of the “Communion Partner” dioceses which have opted out of same-sex marriage rites held steady. Albany experienced a modest 1% drop in members and 0.4% drop in attendance, Dallas also had a 1% drop in members and a 0.3% drop in attendance. Central Florida saw a 2.3% decline in members but only a 0.5% drop in attendance. Florida was a rare diocese to see both membership (1.8%) and attendance (0.2%) growth, with Tennessee close behind at 0.2% growth in members and a 0% change in attendance. Springfield (Central and Southern Illinois) saw only a 0.3% drop in members, but a 5.7% drop in attendance, North Dakota experienced a 3.4% drop in members but only a 0.8% drop in attendance.

In contrast, some of the denomination’s steeper losses were in some progressive dioceses. New England dioceses of Vermont and New Hampshire faced 5% and 5.1% declines in attendance, respectively, with Rhode Island decreasing 5.7%. Other dioceses facing outsized attendance declines were El Camino Real (Central California coast) 5.7%, Northern California at 5.4%, Navajo Missions at 12.4%, Micronesia at 10%, West Missouri at 5.1%, Northwest Texas at 5.2%, South Dakota at 5.1%, Ohio at 5.2%, Central Pennsylvania at 5%, and Louisiana at 7.7%.

A few dioceses reporting attendance growth were Rochester, New York at 12.3%, breaking a long trend of decline with an increase of 368 attendees to 3,362, and Central Gulf Coast at 2.7%, with an increase of 152 attendees to 5,686. The tiny rural diocese of Western Kansas increased attendance 3.2%, increasing by 18 persons to 574 in total. Overseas dioceses including Taiwan and Colombia also reported increased attendance of 10.3% and 11.3%, respectively.

Barb said...

"The Anglican Church in North America, which represents four breakaway dioceses, 700 churches and 100,000 people scattered across the United States and Canada, adopted a provisional constitution Wednesday. Its purpose is to unite orthodox believers forced to leave a splintering Episcopal Church, said Bishop Robert Duncan of the breakaway Diocese of Pittsburgh."

These churches should have the right to keep their buildings --as it is, your unbiblical leaders spent 18 million to refuse the remaining congregants --who built their churches --from using them. So they lay empty.

Average Sunday attendance s in the 50's in Episcopal churches?? That's small. Small is not bad --but when your denomination goes unbiblical, it does take a hit. Growth will come from LGBT's and other liberals like yourself maybe --who want a church that teaches "anything goes."

Barb said...

The Episcopal Church “has been in decline for decades,” Duncan said.

“It loses more than 1,000 people a week in average attendance. We are a body that is growing, that is planting new congregations.”

Duncan said 22 of the 38 Anglican provinces have broken or impaired communion with the Episcopal Church.

“We think many of them will begin to recognize this province,” Duncan said. “We stand in the mainstream of Anglicanism and Christianity.”

Alan Crippen, spokesman for the breakaway Grace Church and St. Stephen Parish in Colorado Springs, said the groups behind the new province have provided a safe haven, a sanctuary, for former Episcopalians alienated by the church’s increasingly liberal views.

“It’s become increasingly clear that these differences weren’t going to be worked out,” Crippen said.

Anonymous said...

Oh, poor Barb.

She loves the break away churches, but ignores that fact that the vast majority remain within the Episcopal Church. And is not as if anyone is racing to Barb's evangelical yahoo "Bible believing church." The fact is that more and more youth want nothing to do with her yahoo gang. Why is that? Because more and more youth know LGBTs and do not buy Barb's Bible and bull shit.

More and more youth have no religious inclinations. They are turned off by nut case "Christians" like Barbed Wire.

LOL She loves this biblical thing she used to dis the Episcopal Church. But Barbed Wire does not acknowledge that people and denominations read, understand, and interpret the Bible differently. She thinks her view is the only one. WRONG Barbed Wire.

And she takes comfort in the what says the SEXPERTS say but ignores the core of it:

"Modern social scientists are virtually unanimous in the opinion that homosexuality, like heterosexuality, originates long before puberty, in the earliest experiences of the very young child. They also generally agree that no single factor causes a particular orientation, whether heterosexual or homosexual, but that multiple biological, sociological, and psychological circumstances determine constitutional make-up."

READ THAT AGAIN BARB — that homosexuality LIKE HETEROSEXUALITY originates long before puberty......."

She then proceeds now to blame mothers and father for LGBT children. She grasps at any straw to keep her bullshit junk science going.

She just cannot stand it that we just do not know what the origins of human sexuality really are. And she likes to clings to all her discredited theories and junk science.

Let's repeat one more time for dense Barb:

"Modern social scientists are virtually unanimous in the opinion that HOMOSEXUALITY, LIKE HETEROSEXUALITY, originates long before puberty, in the earliest experiences of the very young child. They also generally agree that no single factor causes a particular orientation, whether heterosexual or homosexual, but that multiple biological, sociological, and psychological circumstances determine constitutional make-up."

Note that Barb. We do not know what the origins of human sexuality. So why do you grasp at your false straw and continue to bear false witness against LGBTs? Why do you continue pushing out your nonsense? Why are you such a liar?

LOL you claim to know so much about sodomy. How is that? You sound like someone who has experienced it. How was your anal penetration, Barb? Did you become anally incontinent? Did you back for more? Why are you so focused on sodomy?

LOL you think the info that I have provided is speculative. And yet the social science is in accord with the professional standards for such research.

Let us notice that the liar Barb offers no research whatsoever to back up her half-cracked theories. The reason is that any study that even comes close to what she says has been debunked.

Last but not least, she even blames me for my gay son. But cannot explain how I have four non-gay children. Or how Senator Rob Portman has one gay son and two non-gay children.

Poor Barbed Wire, she was born with a bigoted foot in her mouth or wherever.

Anonymous said...

No Barbed Wire,

I do not favor prostitution. Abortion, in my view and that of any number of Protestant denominations, is not a sin. Women choose to terminate pregnancies for a variety of reasons.

But the better concern is why do you support Trump? You know why do you favor the thrice married and twice divorced fornicator and adulterer? Why do you favor the porn star pay offs and the lies and denials of the many affairs. i wonder how many abortions Trump paid for? We know he does not use contraception.

How odd, that for you sexual sins are the only ones you cry out against, but you give Trump a "mulligan" on them.

If you want role models for the country, especially youth, Jimmy Carter and Obama would be the ones.

Why is that Barb do you give Trump's many sexual sins such safe harbor? There must be an evangelical Christian reason for it.

Barb Wire is so confused and befuddled. She is a mess.

Anonymous said...


This explains Old Bag Barb,

A majority (53%) of young white evangelical Protestants favor legalizing same-sex marriage, compared to just one-quarter (25%) of white evangelical seniors.

Even among her own ranks, the majority of youth favor same-sex marriage.

Fortunately, her kind won't be around too much longer.

Anonymous said...

Hey Barbed Wire<

How did you like the gay Irish prime minister introducing his boyfriend to Mike Pence?

Anonymous said...

Oh dear, a majority of evangelicals support the Equality Act:

A surprising group came out in favor of the Equality Act this week: evangelicals.

As a record 201 members of U.S. Congress co-sponsor legislation to ban anti-LGBTQ discrimination across the country, polls show that a majority of white evangelical protestants are in favor of fully inclusive civil rights laws. According to the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI), 54 percent of evangelicals say they are in favor of protections on the basis of gender identity and sexual orientation in housing and employment.


In fact, the country’s most reliably conservative religious group supports proposals like the Equality Act by a 16-point margin. Just 38 percent of evangelicals claim to be opposed to laws that would prevent LGBTQ people from being fired, denied employment, or refused housing based on who they are or who they love.

For the first time, every single religious group in the U.S. is in favor LGBTQ-inclusive nondiscrimination laws. While Jehovah’s Witnesses claim the lowest level of support at 53 percent, few members of the denomination are outright opposed to these protections. Less than a quarter of Jehovah’s Witnesses (23 percent) believe it should be legal to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity.

Meanwhile, 70 percent of Mormons support laws like the Equality Act. So do 68 percent of non-white Catholics, 65 percent of African-American Protestants, 60 percent of Muslims and 59 percent of Orthodox Christians.



Overall, nearly seven in 70 Americans (69 percent) believe discrimination against LGBTQ people should be illegal. Roughly the same number think it already is, despite the fact that 30 states have yet to pass comprehensive statewide laws banning bias on the basis of both sexual orientation and gender identity.

The Equality Act, which was reintroduced last week, would change that by adding LGBTQ identity as a protected characteristic under the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Fair Housing Act. The legislation would also ban sexual orientation and gender identity discrimination in areas like public accommodations, federal funding, credit, education and the jury system across the country.

Even before the bill’s reintroduction, a pair of evangelical groups announced their support for inclusive nondiscrimination laws at the federal level: the Council for Christian Colleges and Universities (CCCU) and National Association of Evangelicals.

But even as more evangelicals back civil rights protections for queer and trans people, stark divides persist within religious communities on LGBTQ rights.

A study released last year by the Human Rights Campaign found that just a quarter of white evangelical seniors (25 percent) were in favor of same-sex marriage, even though the majority of young evangelical protestants (53 percent) believe all couples should be permitted to marry.

Meanwhile, evangelicals remain widely supportive of laws allowing people of faith to refuse service to LGBTQ people if they cite a religious reason for doing so. A 2017 survey from PRRI showed that 65 percent of this group felt wedding-based businesses—whether bakers, photographers, or caterers—should have the ability to issue blanket denials to same-sex couples.

Just 29 percent of evangelicals—or less than one-third—were against licenses to discriminate on the basis of faith.

However, white protestants were the only religious group in favor of religious refusal laws. While white mainline protestants agreed with their evangelical cousins, majorities of Hispanic Catholics (73 percent), black Protestants (56 percent) and white Catholics (55 percent) said people of faith shouldn’t have the right to turn away LGBTQ people.

Despite unprecedented support for the Equality Act in Congress and among members of the public, the bill is unlikely to become law with a Republican-controlled Senate and Donald Trump in the Oval Office.

Anonymous said...

Good ole Barb,

She is out of the mainstream of her own gang.

Anonymous said...

But the Equality Act will indeed become law when the Democrats take back the Senate and the White House.

Barb said...

sigh --I agree that HETEROSEXUAL identity certainly is assumed by the children from the earliest pink and blue and fairy tales and dolly and truck preference forward. If they think they are "different" in their sexuality before age 5, --well.. they wouldn't think this --or know anything about homosexual tendencies without parental tampering. Otherwise, to say their sexuality is fixed in toddlerhood as homosexual--that's a lie concocted later and reinforced by parents who don't understand child development --or how to aid the process healthfully. Sorry, angry Dad. They CAN decide early that their own sex is toxic thus not wanting to BE that sex --or not forming a bond with that parent as in your case probably --so foul mouthed, hostile and angry are you --so that he craves then the emotional bond with a man that his father didn't give him. But there are no RULES to homosexual identity formation --except that sodomy will seal the identity.

ACTUALLY ALL the evangelicals believe we shouldn't turn away LGBT's in the pews of our churches --nor at the dinners. But if they are there to gain acceptance for their identity and activities --and try to change the church to be unbiblical --no, they won't be welcome if that's their motivation for involvement. If they want to repent of their sins and be saved, that will include repentance for homosexual involvement and earnestly trying to refrain.

Anonymous said...

Supreme Court rebuffs Hawaii B&B seeking to deny boarding to same-sex couples

The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday announced it has refused to hear the case of a Hawaii bed and breakfast that sought to refuse service to same-sex couples out of religious objections.

The high court indicated it had denied certiorari to Aloha Bed & Breakfast, or refused to take up its case, in an order list Monday reflecting decisions justices made during a conference on Friday.

The denial of certiorari effectively means the end to the lawsuit against Aloha Bed & Breakfast, which was found to have violated Hawaii civil rights laws for refusing boarding to Diane Cervelli and Taeko Bufford in 2007.

The initial lawsuit, Aloha Bed & Breakfast v. Dianne Cervelli, was filed by Lambda Legal on behalf of the same-sex couple after they were denied service. The co-plaintiff in the case was the Hawaii Civil Rights Commission.

Peter Renn, counsel for Lambda Legal’s Western Regional Office, said the denial of certiorari affirms non-discrimination laws for LGBT people in face of objections based on “religious freedom” claims.

“The Supreme Court’s decision to let the lower court ruling stand reaffirms that the freedom of religion does not give businesses a right to violate nondiscrimination laws that protect all individuals from harm, whether on the basis of race, gender or sexual orientation,” Renn said. “The Supreme Court declined to consider carving out an exception from this basic principle when a business discriminates based on the sexual orientation of its customers. LGBT people deserve an equal right to go about their everyday life without the fear that discrimination waits for them around the corner.”

According to the complaint, after Cerveilli emailed Phyllis Young, the owner of the Hawaii B&B about a potential room, she was initially told there was an availability. When Cervelli disclosed she was bringing a same-sex partner, Young replied, “Are you both lesbians?” The owner then refused boarding, saying she was uncomfortable with having lesbians in her home.

The Hawaii First Circuit Court ruled for the same-sex couple in April 2013. Although Aloha B&B appealed to the Hawaii Intermediate Court of Appeals, that court affirmed the lower court ruling. Last year, the Hawaii Supreme Court refused to hear that decision.

But the Aloha Bed & Breakfast wasn’t done. In October, the business filed a petition for certiorari before the Supreme Court, citing a First Amendment right to refuse service to same-sex couples for religious reasons.

“The Commission officially labeled her religious beliefs unlawful ‘discrimination’ despite the fact that Mrs. Young declines to rent bedrooms in her family home to any romantic partners other than a married man and women — Hawaii’s only recognized form of marriage in 2007,” the petition says. “For this ‘crime’ of being a faithful Catholic, the Commission sought punitive damages and statutory penalties that could cause Mrs. Young to lose her home.”

Aloha Bed & Breakfast also asserted a Fourteenth Amendment right to due process was violated because the establishment, which rents out 1-3 rooms in the owner’s personal home, wasn’t given fair notice Hawaii civil rights law would apply to her.

Anonymous said...

Although the anti-LGBT legal firm Alliance Defending Freedom initially served as counsel for Aloha Bed & Breakfast, a private attorney, James Hochberg, filed the petition before the Supreme Court. Hochberg didn’t respond to the Blade’s request to comment on Monday.

In a filing last month responding to the the petition, Lambda Legal disputed Aloha Bed & Breakfast suffered harm under the First Amendment.

“Aloha B&B’s accusation that the Commission engaged in a ten-year campaign of religious hostility is a work of pure fiction,” the filing says. “To begin, it completely ignores that it was Ms. Cervelli and Ms. Bufford — private parties — who suffered discrimination by Aloha B&B and thereafter filed this civil action. And, unlike the authority relied upon by Aloha B&B, it was a circuit court — not the Commission — that found Aloha B&B liable for violating the public accommodations law.”

The Supreme Court’s decision to deny certiorari to Aloha Bed & Breakfast comes nearly a year after justices issued a narrow ruling for Jack Phillips, owner of Masterpiece Cakeshop, who was penalized under Colorado law for refusing service to a same-sex couple. Although the Supreme Court didn’t issue a First Amendment right to discriminate as Phillips requested, the court ruled for baker based on the narrow facts of the case, finding anti-religion bias on the Colorado Civil Rights Commission.

Barb said...

It isn't surprising about the B&B case. Lodging and restaurants meet needs for sleep and food --shelter --and as such aren't in the same category as artwork for gay weddings. Christian landlords, etc. wouldn't be free to discriminate against the unmarried heteros and can't assume anything because a man and woman or 2 women or 2 men want to rent a room. But I think they should be allowed to discriminate in housing to shacked up heterosexuals, adulterating persons, unmarried hetero-couples not shacked up, and homosexuals parading their situation. We need more stigma against sin --and less enabling.

But I know that won't fly in our secular nation --and I'm not working toward that end politically either. It's a lost cause already. The Lord will judge in that final judgment.

Anonymous said...

Oh, now the old bag is sighing. I guess she runs out of energy with her nonsense.

As you know, all the credible science has shown that we do not know the origins of human sexuality — heterosexual or homosexual.

I know several people who identify as gay and have not had sex with anyone. So how does the old sodomy bag deal with that one?

And she ignores the fact that my son and I have a great relationship just like Rob Portman has with his son Will.

And yet the debunked bitter Barbed Wire continues with her bullshit.

She insists on parental tampering, which is more of her nonsense.

If your so-called sodomy seals the deal, who do you account for the millions of men and women who have had sex with their own gender and yet are heterosexual.

And as for her trucks and dolls, hey Bitter Barb, my son loved his trucks and baseball cards and — he really liked fire trucks — an all the other toys that boys liked. So there goes another one of your bullshit theories.

No healthy gay person, let alone a same-sex couple, should go anywhere near your yahoo church with the exception of protesting against your bigotry outside.

But then it would be fun to see a same-sex family with children show up for Sunday school and worship at your church just to see how welcoming and open you would be. Nothing better than real live gays in front of bigots like you to put you nonsense to rest and show what a hypocrite you are.

Now you go and repent your ways, you anti-gay involvement, and you will be saved from your deadly sin of bearing false witness against you LGBT neighbors,.

You can decide that your behavior and attitude to gays is toxic and not wanting to be so rabidly anti-LGBT.

Barb said...

I didn't favor or choose Trump in the primaries and don't approve his past sexual sins and divorces --nor do I like his tweets which insult people. Who
did he just say had a low I.Q. Beto, maybe? Somebody. I wish Pence, Carson, Huckabee et al could get him to stop insulting people. He's like you in that respect.

I approve people he chose for dep't heads, women he's chosen. I approve his openness to prayer in the White House and for him. I approve his court selections from the Heritage Foundation's recommendations. I approve his NATO, Iran, No. Korea. Paris Accord, tax and reg reductions, stimulation of economy resulting in job creation, energy initiatives --and his American nationalism --instead of this progressive globalism of the Left. I appreciate his recognition that the border mobs are making a national emergency for the kids arriving without family, for the families seeking asylum, and the drug and sex runners/abusers coming in the caravans to the distress of the others. It is a royal mess on the border --and everyone down there knows it. I appreciate his prolife stance --and his common sense on not putting trans persons in military and accommodating their delusions with medical costs paid by working taxpayers.

Anonymous said...

Poor old Bitter Barbed Wire, Her gang lost its case and she has to deal with it.


And now she thinks gay people are "parading their situation," whatever that means. LGBT Pride parades are one day a year and not in B&Bs.

She is right we need more stigma helped on her kind for their deliberate sinning against their LGBT neighbors.

She is right, too, that her crap does not fly in our secular world. We do not want to enable Bitter Barbed Wire's sinful behavior and attitude.


Notice, too, how she has nothing to say about her man Trump the adulterer, the fornicator, the pussy grabber. That is right. She is fine with the thrice married and twice divorced adulterer and fornicator as a role mode for the nation and our youth.

She will not acknowledge that Carter and Obama are far better role models for our youth. You know, it does not fit her family-values conservative narrative.

She has no problem with Trump parading his situation — as an adulterator and fornicator — without condemnation. We do not want to enable his sin or Bitter Barbed Wire's sinfulness.

Don't we just love our hypocrite Bitter Barbed Wire.

I suppose she is fine with Trump's twitter melt-down this weekend. And she thinks that I am angry. Anger, thy name is Trump.

At times Bitter Barbed Wire is just too easy.

Barb said...

Episcopalians have been liberal going back to the 20th C. They've always been liberal, as I recall. Not ever called evangelical --and that generally means not too faithful to the Bible as God's Word relevant for today. But the gay movement has been too extreme even for their more devout members. Hence, the huge withdrawal of many congregations --and those in Africa, too. It's a shame they don't let these churches keep their buildings --as they will just be vacant --or sold to the Muslims or other groups. It's just mean spirited to fight those congregations wanting to stay in their buildings in a new American Episcopal church.

Barb said...

Gee, can't you read? what I said critical of Trump? You just repeat yourself over and over. Go to bed, why don't you? Go yell at your wife as you do, I'm sure. bully.

Anonymous said...

Oh bitter Barb,

I, in no way or shape, do attack people the way Trump does in tweets or otherwise. But I do enjoy giving your nastiness right back at you. You try to dress up your hate and contempt — when you put your lipstick of faux respectability on the bigotry. It needs to be attacked and your taken down and exposed for the bitter old hating hag that you are.

I am not the one lashing out day after day and after day at any group of people the way you do. Your contempt for LGBTs has no bounds.

Trump, like you, cannot help himself. He is nasty and snarky just like you.

Trump is not pro-life, He, like you, is pro-birth,

His department heads are an ocean of corruption. He has alienated our allies. He curries favor with Putin and other dictators. Of course you like his nominees for court. They come from the rightist and right wing extreme groups that hate just like you do.


And of course you do not condemn Trump's immorality. But he and his behavior are on display for all to see.

Oh, yes, his foreign policies are so, so successful. He got taken by the Kim to the max. There is no denuclearization of North Korea.

We should not have gotten out of the Paris Climate Accords or the TPP or the Iran nuclear deal. But with Trump anything Obama accomplished must be gotten rid of.

There is no national emergency at the border. If anything, Trump has made immigration matters much worse with his hateful rhetoric.

There you go with your anti-Jewish slur of globalism. Not such a subtle dog whistle And your forget to include in your description of Trump's nationalism. Let's call it what it is WHITE NATIONALISM.

And you have been informed that the Pentagon's own studies show that transgender troops do no undermine combat readiness and unit cohesion. Nor is the cost prohibitive. But we do not hear old Bitter Barb decry all the costs of military STD and Viagra — all at the taxpayers expense, an expense that far, far surpasses gender reassignment surgery.

If it is such a mess on the border, why do all the congressmen with districts on the border not favor Trump's fantasy wall.

Trump's tax cuts were a total give away to the rich, Funny how with all this so-called economic growth, nobody seems to be experiencing it, especially those hard hit by his tariffs — famers and manufacturers. Have you noticed all the plant closings, there Bared Wire.


And don't you just love all the regulations he has gutted making our environment more polluted and wildlife at risk.

Trump's a mess, just like you, Bitter Bared Wire.

You are such a mess that you cannot even acknowledge that Obama and Carter are far better moral role models than the adulterer, fornicator and twice divorced Trump, the pussy grabber.

And then there are the 9,000 lies and falsehoods that Trump keeps on pushing out. He is like you in that regard, You both are deliberate liars.

Anonymous said...

You don't approve of some of what Trump has done, but you are not riding your faux moral high ground about his sexual immorality, which we all know about. You are not lashing out at him the way you do for the alleged immorality of LGBTs, Come on Barbed Wire. If this were Obama or Carter, you would be all over them.

Anonymous said...

Here is what I got from an Episcopal priest on your nonsense about his church:

"Aside from the significant decline in membership in all the "mainline" Protestant churches after the 1960s, due in large part to massive cultural shifts, the Episcopal Church suffered it's first major "hit" in the 1970s over the ordination of women and Prayer Book revision. The full inclusion of gays and lesbians created a second, actually smaller, wave of defections more recently.

"I think part of the challenge to the Church apart from these things is that its theology and forms of worship involve a significant "learning curve" for newcomers and are not particularly in sync with the culture, unlike the mega- churches, the only group still growing (even more traditional evangelical churches are beginning to show declining numbers).

"As a gay, partnered Episcopal priest, I believe the denomination has an important place in God's work in our world, combining as it does an appreciation of more traditional worship and an understanding of the "beauty of holiness" with a progressive social stance. But in today's world, I think that means we will always be something of a minority option, especially outside of sophisticated urban areas or university communities"

Barbed Wire, so it seems like women and the liturgical changes and the cultural shifts of the 1960s were more of a hit for the Episcopal Church than LGBTs.

If those small number of churches decide to leave the Episcopal Church, then they should lose their buildings. if they want a break, make it a clean break.

And please tell me about the great influx of people intro your yahoo churches. Clue: There is none. Folks are fleeing, especially the youth.

Anonymous said...


The gay movement has not been extreme at all. They just want full equality. It is your views that are extreme and bizarre.

Yes, the Episcopal Church is liberal, We are not yahoos. We read the same Bible as you yahoos do. We just do not read it like you or interpret it the way you do. We have a rich tradition here, much longer than you yahoos.

There has not been a huge withdrawal of churches, Barbed Wire. Pay attention and keep up here.

Anonymous said...

Old Barbed Wire is sleeping now. Dreaming up more of her bullshit and Bible thumping. We cannot wait to see what nonsense she now has to spew out.

Barb said...

"anti-Jewish slur of globalism?" HUH? What does THAT mean? Are the Jews Globalists? I thought they were Zionists --and I'm all for them having Israel --and being here in the USA as well --or anywhere they wish to be. Trump and I support Israel --and nations. The Bible tells us God set us in NATIONS. The closer your gov't is to the people, the better. That's why we have local gov't, state and federal. And the family is a governing body to cultivate good citizens who can contribute good to the world.

You are a classic liberal with your hatred of Trump (who I admit isn't terribly likable --but he's not a Hitler or anti-Semitic, or anti-minority. And he can't be too anti-gay, given his gay ambassador to Europe.) Also classic liberal on their other issues. And the LEFT is simply wrong and dangerous in their thinking --and their race-baiting --and their PC thinking --and their socialism advocacy --which results in enabling indolence and reliance on self-serving Big Gov't. which becomes oppressive and fails --like Venezuela. You can't have over half the people continuing to expect support from the other half without working and planning for retirement themselves. Would that our economy would be THAT successful --that we could all rely on robots and big business's proceeds by mere redistribution of wealth. Truth--you take away incentive to start businesses by gov't confiscating the profits of others --and you kill the goose that lays the golden eggs of a nation that is more prosperous than most all others. "The rising tide lifts all boats" is a truism. Big democrat party gov't promises and spends and kills industry and economy.

I'm not anti-gay or anti LGBT either. I'm against their in-your-face agenda propagandizing to children and teens. I'm against their harmful, high risk for disease sodomy practice -no matter who is doing it, gay or straight.

You are the one who keeps telling me who I am, what I believe, what I think --and you come up wrong all the time.

Barb said...

BTW, you know darn well that your Episcopal church has taken a hit for their liberalness. Wanting to sell their headquarters building now which costs them 8 million a year in mortgage.

Liberal charge is that pro-lifers are pro-birth but not pro-life. Come on --be real. Nothing pro-life or pro-birth about pro-aborts who are glad THEY are born but would deny the experience of life to innocent babies --with the lying excuse that those babies would be in poverty, unwanted and miserable if they got to live. Believe me, I know so many who want to adopt. Even your boy adopted. Abortion is no panacea for the world's problems. We also know many unwanted people, and people born into poverty, who nevertheless grew up to do great things --or at least enjoy their lives. Death is not a solution but a curse. And our nation is under a curse for our wickedness --including abortion, fornication, adultery, child abandonment, gay marriage and sodomy. Climate change? No --our disasters are humanity's wake-up calls to realize we cannot save ourselves. And our natural disasters are nothing new under the sun --but always serve to remind us to repent "for the kingdom" and eternity --"are nigh."

Barb said...

As for wanting me to lash out about Trump's immorality--I did that in the primaries. But he won anyway and I was surprised and pleased by most of his policies /decisions/ advocacies/ efforts since. He is RIGHT on the issues. And as far as we know, he's not been committing adultery in the oval office --I think he's too busy (and maybe too old) to have a sex life --tweeting and paying attention to the news and running all over to meet with supporters and foreign leaders and trying to deal with Pelosi and Schumer.

As for those calling him a narcissist, etc. --could be. He's a character, all right --a strange duck I usually say. But he's been good for the national economy--and he's right on national defense, the deep state, the border. And thankfully, he's not PC.

Barb said...

Your bishop: "Aside from the significant decline in membership in all the "mainline" Protestant churches after the 1960s, due in large part to massive cultural shifts, the Episcopal Church suffered it's first major "hit" in the 1970s over the ordination of women and Prayer Book revision. The full inclusion of gays and lesbians created a second, actually smaller, wave of defections more recently.

"I think part of the challenge to the Church apart from these things is that its theology and forms of worship involve a significant "learning curve" for newcomers and are not particularly in sync with the culture, unlike the mega- churches, the only group still growing (even more traditional evangelical churches are beginning to show declining numbers)."

He's probably right about the decline in the 70's --as that was when a wave of charismatic and evangelical renewals --revivals-- were in the spotlight --and women's neighborhood Bible studies were influential in our city. People didn't want the mainline churches' cold, formal, joyless, ritualistic religion that didn't preach the Bible in any life-impacting way.

The liberal Episcopal church that formed out of Henry VIII's divorce desires --never had too much to offer --except Catholic liturgy and formality. So you lost people from liberalness when people heard the Spiritual Gospel of the Wesleys all the way through Billy Graham and the Charismatic renewal of Pentecostals --a religion that was more than a social club with Catholic rituals --but based on the Bible --with studies among the laymen. Even the Evangelicals had a history of ordination of women before the mainline churches --because the Bible had said that The Spirit would be poured out on both men and women "in the last days" --who would prophesy --or "tell forth" the Word of God. (St. Paul wrote that prediction about women's eventual role.) Whereas, the Episcopalians took their women's ordination from the culture instead of from the Bible.
I do find most women preachers ineffectual as church builders. However, we have one in our denomination who built a church of 700 attenders with a huge charity outreach --with food distribution, etc. A truly likable, impressive personality --and gift for insightful Biblical preaching. Married to a male minister who pastored a small church plant -- having been the superintendent of the district when his wife became senior pastor of their church. I had college profs in my Christian college, too, who were very respected women in academia --and in spiritual influence.

Barb said...

So nothing misogynistic about pro-lifers --except maybe in any pro-life Catholics who still believe in the infallibility of the pope and the male-only leaders. But even that can't be called misogyny. (Not sure the devout pro-life Catholics aren't more Biblical now, however, wanting to reform their church and get a better pope--with all the revelations about their gay priesthood and letting them get away with it --which has always been the weakness of the "mother church" along with their Mariology --which is also not theologically biblical as practiced.)

He says you had the biggest losses in the 1970's --but wasn't that membership loss? Attender loss? rather than church loss. NOW, you've lost hundreds of churches --and many of the few attenders you had left --because of elevating Robinson, a divorced and gay pastor to bishop.
However, you have GAINED people who are liberal --and gays --some from evangelical churches, because you comfort them by approval of the sin of LGBT ideology and mis-interp of the Bible. But I think you've lost more people than you've gained --and lost whole churches --in AFrica, too --and I wonder about the UK and Australia.

Yes, evangelical churches have lost to mega churches --which are usually evangelical and Biblical --though some have had leaders go off the rails. Around the world, evangelical Christianity is gaining converts --bible-believers. I doubt the Episcopal church is growing anywhere --except with LGBT's and other libs wanting PC religion that approves their sin.

Anonymous said...

Oh, Barbed Wire, You re back with your bullshit. Globalism is a classic anti-Semitic slur but you have your head so far up where the sun don't shine that you do not even realize the crap you spew out.

Give me a break, Trump race bates more than anyone. That is because he is a racist in case you missed shit hole countries and all the other nasty crap he spews out.

You silly old bag fool. Your Republik Party and Pugnicans spend and don't tax and then pass on big tax cuts for the rich.

See I can throw out epithets against your GOP — Republicons, Repugnicans, Republikkklans. Just like you do with Democrat Party. You damn well know it is Democratic Party. Much more than your bad grammar.

Oh please, with the Venezuela bullshit.

You should be grateful for FDR and the New Deal and LBJ. That is how you are getting Social Security and Medicare. suggest that you take your anti-liberalism to its logical conclusion. Return your Social Security card and do not participate in Medicare. After all, you would not want to be a practicing socialist in these totally government-rum programs, which are inherently socialistic.

And oh, please, you are one of the most rabid homophobic person I have ever encountered in real life or on the Internet.

You go from one crack pot view to another, trying to justify your hateful and ugliness towards gay people. You start with Bible bullshit and then come up with bizarre theories to explain LGBT identity. And throw in all your junk science to support your evangelical Christian fertility cult.

You are more in your face than any gay activist I have ever seen.

You even want to go into the schools to promote your hate, thereby making school learning environments for LGBT youth and their parents.

And your anti-sodomy rants are hilarious, coming from a closeted lesbian who has not had sex or an orgasm in decades and is clearly too old and too ugly and fat to have sex.

In that regard, you are like Trump.

Do tell us, Barbed Wire, when was the last time you had sex? The 1970s?

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And you are so full of yourself about abortion. No woman terminates her pregnancy lightly. And they do so in consultation with their health care providers. You are pro-birth but want to cut all the social safety net work welfare benefits that are essential for so many poor women who are single when their children's fathers abandon them. Go on a tear against dead beat dads. How many children have you adopted?

And you would have denied my son and his husband's having children. Based on your utter slander that somehow gays are a threat to children when you are a threat to all life, human, plant, fish, reptile, and mammals. Even insects.



By the way, how do you know how my son had children? Clue: You do not.

And you continue your anti-Catholic bigotry. How quaint from you, a true heretic, who has left the true Church for your evangelical heresy. We just love your attack on Mary, the mother of Jesus or/and God.

And you are a climate change denier. And still cling to doomsday scenarios which you blame on LGBTs when in fact that recent tornado tore through Alabama where right wingers and "Bible-believers" who use more porn than the national average reside. So much for that crack pot theory. Oh, yes, let's recall when the hurricane ripped through the Florida panhandle another high-yahoo-Christian-and Bible-believing-resident area.

What on earth will you do when and or if a tornado or hurricane rips through your locality and inflicts damage to your property and "lifestyle."

By the way, Trump is a narcissist. He is much more than a character. He is a vile, disgusting human being. A con man, a grifter, a fraud, and a liar. Not a role model for anyone.

You better get ready for end times. Time for you to repent of your sinfulness of bearing false witness against LGBT. Do so before somebody drops a house on you like in the Wizard of OZ.

The Episcopal Church and the Anglican Communion is a global church. Ca you say that about your yahoo evangelical Bible-believing church?

LOL — the Spiritual Gospel of the Wesleys all the way through Billy Graham and the Charismatic renewal of Pentecostal. Oh yes, this was the beginning of Christian yahoo and yehaaism. With Weselys' great contribution to be anti-alcohol. That went over real well now did it not.

I will take the Episcopal liturgy — and Catholic for that matter — any day over your low, low church circus.

It figures you would be down on women preachers and clergy. You are still working through your daddy issues and need daddy to protect you — except when you are not denying your inner lesbian nature.

We can all see that you are no builder of anything. You are still trying to destroy LGBT life.

We will not let you, disproving your bullshit and lies and slander at every step.

Anonymous said...

I can't wait to hear how your yahoo church is growing and attracting youth.

Even evangelical youth favor same-sex marriage. And they know real live lGBTs not the pity and pathology gang that you have collected through your Bible and bullshit ministry and slander.

How does it feel to be such an across-the-board loser all across the board — marriage equality, gays in the military, non-discrimination laws, conversion therapy bans, and transgender rights? You lose because you lie and slander and everybody knows it.

Anonymous said...

LOL Trump's tweets. What a joke. He spent the whole week bashing everybody and everything. But he did get to church. I can only imagine what he learned in the sermon there that Sunday: How to bash, even the dead, namely John McCain. I guess he did not learn you are not supposed to speak ill of the dead.


And you continue to justify Trump's immoral sexual behavior. You do realize that he paid off the porn star while in office and denied that he even had sex with Stormy Daniels — and the twenty or so who allege sexual misconduct. Wonder how many STDs he got. If he did sodomy? How many abortions did he pay for?

Time for you to hold out Jimmy Carter and Obama as role models for our youth and the nation.

Anonymous said...

If Trump is not anti-LGBT, why does he want to ban transgender troops when top brass and and the Pentagon's own study has found that there is no adverse effect on unit cohesion and combat readiness and that the cost is not prohibitive? Please keep in mind that I am a retired and career Army officer when you give me your bullshit response. Why is Trump not backing the Equality Act, a basic federal civil rights law? Let me give you a clue: Pence wants the ban and no advance of LGBT equality. And yet you and Pence are all in for the porn star presidency. You evangelicals have quite a man in Trump's new Stormy Daniels values in the porn star presidency. You and your Trump are as anti-gay as it comes

You know. Maybe if you had some sex, you would not be so anti-LGBT.

Try and get back to us.

Barb said...

Gee --Same ol same ol with you.

I don't think Pence is a top advisor to Trump. I think Trump has his own ideas about what's appropriate in the military. My phD teaching friend was in the military --said he had a gay person over him in rank who tried to put the moves on him. My best friend's nephew got lured into a relationship with a gay Navy Seal in training with him --and killed himself afterward; it so messed with his head.

I told you before about the gay activist who molested a church friend in a church rr -high school or college age messing with middle-schooler and causing him emotional grief thereafter for awhile.

I heard there WERE RR's on bases known to be where gays could hook up. And "glory holes" in roadside rest rooms on our free ways--state highway rest stops. I had a school leader who got caught in the adult bookstores where there were these opportunities for homosexual hook-ups --and others.

Pences and other christians aren't in for porn. But Trump is president --and I'm just glad he hasn't entertained porn stars or women under the oval office desk --and stays very publically busy about the country's business. He's better than I expected as president. I figured he was a closet liberal until elected --given his past. I hope his liberal side doesn't emerge. LGBT's have plenty of "equality" being they are plenty rich and advantaged in the U.S. They seem to rise to the top of various insitutions --like my 2 relatives. So I think they are "equal" enough and can stop feeling sorry for themselves just because the Christians still recognize sodomy as a gross and vulgar, disease-ridden sin.

"Try and get back to us." Who is us?

Barb said...

Yes --I know POTUS has a very immoral past --like the Kennedy bros and more like Bill Clinton who was a dog with people while president. I'm not aware of any rumors about sex by Trump since presidency. I thought he paid off STormy during the campaign --not the presidency. RU sure about that? Not that it changes the good stands he has taken and the policies he has favored. He was right about the wall --the budget including it --and the shut down. (Remember O did a lot of exec. orders and shut down the gov't twice) and he was lousy on the economy and caused the rush to the border which started to speed up under him--and now lately with the democrats promising the moon --if they can just get in before Trump builds more wall or gets-re-elected....their hope.

you don't have to be "anti-lgbt" as persons --to be against them in the military. You just have to have some common sense.

I'm pretty sure YOU said your son had adopted 2 boys. And you mentioned lesbians having babies for/with sperm-donor gays. Which is not news. But I never said anything about HOW your son got his boys. Some people are adopting from foster care --several in my church have done so.

Abortion is just a wrong choice --no matter how you look at it --unless the mother's life is threatened --which never happens in the 3rd trimester such that killing the baby would save her life. Just deliver it early, one way or another.

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